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Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-18-2008 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If all proceeds as now planned, two space shuttles — Atlantis and Endeavour — will be visible on launch pads 39A and 39B at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida for approximately two hours on Saturday (Sept. 20, 2008).

Endeavour, which will arrive at 39B on Friday, is being readied as a rescue vehicle for Atlantis, now on 39A, before flying its own mission in November.

Atlantis' payload — instruments to upgrade and repair the Hubble Space Telescope — will arrive at 39A on Saturday evening to be installed in the orbiter's bay.

As currently scheduled, the two pads' rotating service structures will both be open from 7:00 to 9:00 a.m. EDT Saturday, allowing for a rare unobstructed view of the two shuttles on the two pads at the same time for what may well be the last time.

Columbia and Discovery in 1990

The following details when both pads have simultaneously hosted space shuttles.

  • STS-61-C (Columbia) and STS-51-L (Challenger)
    Dec. 22, 1985 (rollout of 51-L to Pad B) to Jan. 12, 1986 (launch of 61-C from Pad A)

  • STS-31 (Discovery) and STS-35 (Columbia)
    April 22, 1990 (rollout of STS-35 to Pad A) to April 24, 1990 (launch of STS-31 from Pad B)

  • STS-35 (Columbia) and STS-41 (Discovery)
    Sep. 4, 1990 (rollout of STS-41 to Pad B) to Oct. 6, 1990 (launch of STS-41 from Pad B)

  • STS-38 (Atlantis) and STS-35 (Columbia)
    Oct. 14, 1990 (rollout of STS-35 to Pad B) to Nov. 15, 1990 (launch of STS-38 from Pad A)

  • STS-37 (Atlantis) and STS-39 (Discovery)
    April 1, 1991 (rollout of STS-39 to Pad A) to April 5, 1991 (launch of STS-37 from Pad B)

  • STS-45 (Atlantis) and STS-49 (Endeavour)
    March 13, 1992 (rollout of STS-49 to Pad B) to March 24, 1992 (launch of STS-45 from Pad A)

  • STS-50 (Columbia) and STS-46 (Atlantis)
    June 11, 1992 (rollout of STS-46 to Pad B) to June 25, 1992 (launch of STS-50 from Pad A)

  • STS-56 (Discovery) and STS-55 (Columbia)
    Feb. 7, 1993 (rollout of STS-55 to Pad A) to April 8, 1993 (launch of STS-56 from Pad B)

  • STS-64 (Discovery) and STS-68 (Endeavour)
    Aug. 19, 1994 (rollout of STS-64 to Pad B) to Aug. 24, 1994 (rollback to VAB of STS-68 from Pad A)

  • STS-71 (Atlantis) and STS-70 (Discovery)
    May 11, 1995 (rollout of STS-70 to Pad B) to June 8, 1995 (rollback to VAB of STS-70 from Pad B)

  • STS-71 (Atlantis) and STS-70 (Discovery)
    June 15, 1995 (rollout of STS-70 to Pad B) to June 27, 1995 (launch of STS-71 from Pad A)

  • STS-70 (Discovery) and STS-69 (Endeavour)
    July 6, 1995 (rollout of STS-69 to Pad A) to July 13, 1995 (launch of STS-70 from Pad B)

  • STS-69 (Endeavour) and STS-73 (Columbia)
    Aug. 28, 1995 (rollout of STS-73 to Pad B) to Sept. 7, 1995 (launch of STS-69 from Pad A)

  • STS-73 (Columbia) and STS-74 (Atlantis)
    Oct. 12, 1995 (rollout of STS-74 to Pad A) to Oct. 20, 1995 (launch of STS-73 from Pad B)

  • STS-95 (Discovery) and STS-88 (Endeavour)
    Oct. 21, 1998 (rollout of STS-88 to Pad A) to Oct. 29, 1998 (launch of STS-95 from Pad B)

  • STS-103 (Discovery) and STS-99 (Endeavour)
    Dec. 13, 1999 (rollout of STS-99 to Pad A) to Dec. 19, 1999 (launch of STS-103 from Pad B)

  • STS-104 (Atlantis) and STS-105 (Discovery)
    July 2, 2001 (rollout of STS-105 to Pad A) to July 12, 2001 (launch of STS-104 from Pad B)

Robert Pearlman
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Endeavour on Pad 39B stands in the foreground of Atlantis on 39A, marking the 18th time in history that two shuttles have occupied the pads at the same time. Credit: Ben Cooper/LaunchPhotography.com
An aerial view of NASA's Kennedy Space Center shows space shuttles on both pads. At top is Endeavour; in the foreground is Atlantis. This is the first time since July 2001 that two shuttles are on the launch pads at the same time. Credit: NASA
On September 20, NASA has invited the media to photograph both Atlantis and Endeavour on their respective pads with the rotating service structures rolled back from the vehicles. A live static shot of the two shuttles will be broadcast on NASA TV from 6:30 to 9:30 a.m. EDT.

Robert Pearlman
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With a rainbow serving as a backdrop in the sky, Atlantis (foreground) sits on Pad 39A and Endeavour on 39B. Credit: NASA


Robert Pearlman
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More photographs by Ben Cooper at LaunchPhotography.com

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posted 09-20-2008 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for contra   Click Here to Email contra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a great sight that is. Wish I could see it for myself.

alanh_7
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posted 09-20-2008 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanh_7   Click Here to Email alanh_7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great photos!

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posted 09-21-2008 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful, simply beautiful.

GACspaceguy
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posted 09-21-2008 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With both shuttles on the pad has the KSC tours been altered? Specifically, the "Up Close" tour that went past the launch pads?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-21-2008 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to a ticket sales agent, the tour has been modified. The buses no longer stop for the photo opportunity at the mound between the pads. You'll still see the pads but from inside the bus as you drive by them.

tegwilym
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posted 09-22-2008 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too bad the shuttle program never quite worked out as planned. That should have been a fairly common sight I guess. Nice to see though!

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posted 09-22-2008 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure some of my fellow cSers wil think I deserve a firm slap for this, but... I can't believe I'm only one who thought of Bruce Willis when I saw these.

Seriously, though... awesome pics. Too bad this wasn't a more frequently-seen sight.

Jay Chladek
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posted 09-22-2008 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I was thinking the same thing myself although I didn't have Bruce Willis himself in my head. But, the image from Armageddon of two shuttles on the pads still hangs in my head as well.

I did manage to SIM a simultaneous launch of two shuttles in the Orbiter freeware simulator with one of the downloads from more accurate shuttles (with an autopilot). It needs a computer with a fair amount of power to do (and lags will kill it as one won't reach orbit). But when pulled off successfully with but shuttles reaching orbit, it looks awsome!

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posted 09-22-2008 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking Moonraker.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-20-2009 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Two shuttles on two pads for one last time

For what may be only the fourth time in history, two space shuttles sat exposed on NASA's two launch pads at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida this weekend. The rare sight came to a close today, as each was covered by rotating sections of their pads' structures.

As spectacular as it may have been, NASA hopes it'll be the last such simultaneous view for the shuttles, although they have had that expectation before.

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posted 04-20-2009 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, what a great picture! Imagine what might have been if the shuttle was more reliable and less expensive to place payload into orbit? If so then this scenario might be just another day at KSC. Just curious, does anyone know of a photo of 3 shuttles?

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posted 04-21-2009 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MCroft04:
Just curious, does anyone know of a photo of 3 shuttles?
There are only two shuttle launch pads (39A and B) so there can only be two on the pad at the same time.

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quote:
Originally posted by NavySpaceFan:
There are only two shuttle launch pads (39A and B) so there can only be two on the pad at the same time.

I understand there are only 2 launch pads. I was just curious if 3 orbiters were ever near one another such that they could be photographed at one time. Unlikely I suppose, but just curious.

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posted 04-21-2009 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It certainly would be nice if all three orbiters could be lined up at the shuttle landing facility following the final mission for a photo opportunity. Perhaps invite every flown shuttle astronaut to pose for a group photo in front of the orbiters before they are dispersed to museums for final display.

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posted 04-21-2009 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a great idea. It might give people a better idea of the scope of the program.

Put Story Musgrave in the front as the only astronaut to have flown on every space shuttle.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-29-2009 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two shuttles, two pads, two T-38s:
NASA pilots Jack Nickel (in the jet with tail number 62) and Charles Justiz fly over for a bird's eye view of two shuttles on the launch pad. Shuttle Atlantis is in the foreground and Endeavour can be seen in the distance on the launch pad at NASA's Kennedy Space Center. The two are flying T-38 jet trainer aircraft. Image Credit: NASA/Robert Markowitz

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posted 04-29-2009 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great photo but what a waste having those empty back seats!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-29-2009 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More photos of two shuttles, two pads, two T-38s (and a Gulfstream!):

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posted 04-29-2009 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GREAT PHOTOS! Oh, and the T-38s and shuttles look cool too.

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Seeing two space shuttles on the launch pads is a treat in itself! What a sight!

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posted 09-17-2009 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiliputMan   Click Here to Email MiliputMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there video footage of a shuttle taking off with the other shuttle in the background or foreground?

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I have seen some but the other shuttle always has the RSS around it. It almost looks like there might be a chance for Atlantis and Ares I-X.

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Photo KSC-90PC-1189 dated April 22,1990 shows the STS-35 Columbia rollout approaching Pad 39A, with STS-31 Discovery on Pad 39B in the background. The image has this caption:
Mission Specialist Kathryn Sullivan's camera skills show that the view of Launch Pads 39A and B from a T-38 trainer is unforgettable. Sullivan took the pictures as she and fellow Space Shuttle mission STS 31 crew members flew into KSC on April 22. STS 31 is set to lift off from Pad A at 8:31 a.m. on April 24.
(The caption has an error: "Pad A" should be Pad B.)

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