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Robert Pearlman
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Saturn V switch: Art project picks real moon rocket over replica for quilt covering

An ambitious art project to wrap one of NASA's remaining moon rockets in a student-created quilt has traded height for history by proposing to swap Saturn Vs.

The Dream Rocket, a four-year-old educational effort run by the not-for-profit International Fiber Collaborative (IFC), initially aimed to completely cover the 363-foot-tall (110.6 meter) rocket replica at the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Now, they've changed their focus, sideways, looking to wrap the real rocket that is displayed on its side nearby.

"I continued getting letters from participants asking, 'Yes, we've permission to wrap the vertical rocket at the Space & Rocket Center, and that is wonderful, but why can't we wrap our artwork around the horizontal Saturn V?'" said Jennifer March, director of the Dream Rocket, in a video for the project's crowd-funding campaign to raise the funds needed for a new engineering study.

"Wrapping the indoor real Saturn V moon rocket would have profound impact beyond our original intent to wrap the vertical Saturn V replica, [so] we would like to pursue this option," March wrote on Kickstarter.com. "It would be awesome to walk under the entire length of the indoor rocket and look up to see all the art."

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For what it's worth, would have to say an emphatic "NO GO" to the notion of playing around with the real Saturn V on display inside the museum.

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I think it all depends on what type of support structure or framework is devised. As noted by the project:
The fabric panels will not be allowed to touch the rocket structure in any way and will need to be independently supported from the roof or floor.
So, it is not the "sock" originally considered for the vertical replica but a cylinder of sorts, inside of which the Saturn V will "hover."

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They want to completely hide/wrap the Saturn V for two whole months at the beginning of the summer vacation season?!

I can't help but think that there will be many thousands of people who will have never heard of this project who will have travelled hundreds or thousands of miles, perhaps from another country, specifically to see the Saturn V, only to find that the rocket is hidden under a quilt.

And it seems to me that there would be relatively little overlap between the "family of four willing to spend $90 to see one of three remaining Saturn Vs" and the "family of four willing to shell out $90 to see the world's largest quilt."

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I don't understand the project. Why hide the rocket under a quilt. Does the Saturn V need a rocket cozy? Why not just make a large Saturn V size quilt and display it along side the rocket.

Where is Christo?

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My wife pointed out (after she pointed out that if she wanted to see a quilt she could visit any nursing home ) that the Davidson Center is commonly rented out for weddings and other events.

As before, I have to think that the overlap between "people who want to celebrate their wedding under a Saturn V" and "people who want to celebrate their wedding under a quilt" is relatively small.

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The U.S. Space & Rocket Center had already agreed (four years ago) to having the vertical Saturn V covered in the quilt, which draws in visitors as well.

And if the center signs off on the idea, then whatever business case (i.e. wedding rentals) there is will have presumably been part of their consideration.

As far as visitors driving hundreds of miles to be surprised by the wrapped Saturn V, (a) who today embarks on a road trip without first checking the website of your destination? and (b) popular exhibits frequently (temporarily) close.

For example, the National Air and Space Museum will, pending funding, be closing its "Apollo to the Moon" gallery for a few years — what about the people who travel to D.C. to see those artifacts?

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I just stumbled upon a featured ad for the Dream Rocket Project on the Kicktraq web site. Apparently, after coming short of their goal in June, the team has started another Kickstarter campaign. This time they are looking to meet a goal of $12,100, which will slightly more than make up the difference by which they missed last time.

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posted 09-20-2013 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.L   Click Here to Email J.L     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stupid...

I would be pissed if I had driven hundreds of miles just to be "surprised" by something like this.

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I'm fairly certain if a Saturn V is wrapped in a quilt made by thousands of school children, it will make national news. And if so, then it would only be your fault for not paying attention before driving hundreds of miles...

And really, who drives hundreds of miles specifically to see something without doing a bit of research first? It's not like something like this can be pulled off (or on, as the case may be) overnight.

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I guess then we can do "The Dream Shuttle" and cover Atlantis. That would make a lot of visitors to KSC happy.

I just think it is wrong to cover a national treasure. Have the kids do artwork and set up a separate display.

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If the kids in Alabama want to wrap up something "mummy-style"; they should go to the state Teachers' Union Offices and drape their building with quilts.

To the supposed educators who agreed to this silly idea from the International Fiber Collaborative ~ "Fugetaboudit!"

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quote:
Originally posted by J.L:
I guess then we can do "The Dream Shuttle" and cover Atlantis.
A lot of visitors to the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex wanted the chance to see Atlantis covered in shrink wrap while the exhibit was under construction...

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Originally posted by Cozmosis22:
If the kids in Alabama want to wrap up something "mummy-style"; they should go to the state Teachers' Union Offices and drape their building with quilts.
As far as I know this is not an Alabama student project. They are wrapping the Saturn V in Alabama, but it looks like the people involved in the project are from New York, California, etc... carpetbaggers. LOL. Among the list of participants Kansas is very well represented.

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One question: why?

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I would encourage those who want to know more about the project to visit the web site: The Dream Rocket.

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Totally bad idea. If this group wants to wrap another gas station, go right ahead.

If they want to create art that includes elements such as One panel [that] combines the faces of both a monkey and a kitten with the body of President George W. Bush then let them find a platform elsewhere, but not at the U.S. Rocket Center.

Those visitors and families coming to the rocket center expecting to view the great Saturn V in all its glory do not want to have that view compromised in a covering of what someone deems on their behalf to be art.

And whether or not they perform "due diligence" by "surfing the web" ahead of time doesn't change the fact that the Saturn V would be — well, let's face it — defaced by its obscuration for a lengthy period. Lots of people have limited options for when they can schedule a vacation.

This publicity stunt will do nothing to encourage young people to become interested in science and engineering. Instead, this exhibit will garishly cloak the object of the natural inspiration provided by the pristine beauty of the 100% exposed mighty Saturn V launch vehicle.

In my opinion, the Saturn V does not need to be disgraced by being forced to don what is essentially a clown suit.

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Kansas Cosmopshere release
Dream Rocket Project Exhibit Featuring Art from Kansas Students on Display at the Cosmosphere

February 1, 2014, over 300 works of space-themed art by 1,632 Kansas students from 23 schools will go on display at the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center. The exhibit, developed in partnership with the International Fiber Collaborative, presents art created for The Dream Rocket Project (DRP), and the Cosmosphere is one of over 134 locations to have displayed pieces from the collection over the past three years.

In 2008, a group of educators and artists formed the International Fiber Collaborative (IFC), a non-profit organization with a mission to create deeper learning experiences through art, collaboration and cross-curricular themed programming for individuals and their communities. In 2009, IFC launched The Dream Rocket Project with the goal of collecting 8,000 pieces of artwork from students across the globe to be stitched together to wrap the 363 foot Saturn V replica for a temporary exhibit at the U.S. Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Ala. in 2015.

So far, art submissions have been received by individuals in 17 countries, 46 states and 363 communities, and have been displayed in libraries, schools, museums, and community centers across the United States. By 2015, DRP estimates 36,000 people will have contributed to a monumental 32,000 square foot wrap.

"Through this exhibit, visitors will see the many ways that students have expressed their understanding of what space, exploration and imagination means to them," said DRP organizer Jennifer Marsh. "By exposing students to the importance of collaboration through multi-disciplinary approaches, we hope to inspire them to feel the freedom to dream big."

Art on exhibit at the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center explores the theme of "Space." Sub-themes include the Curiosity rover, space travel, deep space, solar system, planets, the Apollo program, space vehicles and technology, Mars and more. Most students worked in groups of six or more; discussed, researched and planned their submissions as a team.

"The Dream Rocket Project is just one of the multidisciplinary offerings the Cosmosphere has the privilege of offering in 2014, and it highlights the importance of combining the arts and sciences in education," said Tom Holcomb, Cosmosphere Director of Education and Box Office Operations. "We recently established a new educational initiative combining creative and technical learning with a field trip offering, 'The Art and Science of Conservation,' underwritten by Alcoa Foundation and supported by Fort Hays State University. Students who experience this program explore the history of the Apollo program before viewing the ongoing conservation of the Apollo F-1 engines currently underway at the Cosmosphere's SpaceWorks facility. After visiting the engines, students are challenged to create their own works of art, in any media they choose, channeling the inspiration they felt while viewing the beautiful, twisted pieces of metal that represent one of the most important periods in our nation's history.

"We are constantly searching for new, innovative ways to ignite that spark in the next generation of explorers, and there is a definite, proven value to programs that challenge students to learn in different ways. The Dream Rocket Project does this in a unique way, and we're honored to showcase the talents of young Kansas artists."

Teachers interested in signing their classes up for "The Art and Science of Conservation" field trip experience can do so by calling (620)662.2305 or (800)397.0330.

The Dream Rocket Project exhibit will be on display in the Cosmosphere's Hall of Space Museum and Rotunda February 1 through March 31, 2014. Hall of Space Admission is required for entry into the exhibit, though Cosmosphere Members, Reno County residents and contributing artists receive complimentary museum admission.

Grand Opening

Sunday, February 9, 2014, from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m., the Cosmosphere is offering complimentary Hall of Space admission to view The Dream Rocket Project artwork and talk with contributing artists in attendance, kicking off the Grand Opening of the exhibit. Educators and artists from all 23 contributing schools have been invited to attend and discuss their experience in the program.

The Grand Opening occurs during the Cosmosphere's Open House, which takes place from 12 p.m. to 5 p.m. A full schedule of Open House events is available at cosmo.org.

DRP Director Jennifer Marsh currently resides as a fellow of the Donald B. and Twila Catron Sr. Professorship of Art at Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas. More information about The Dream Rocket Project is available online at thedreamrocket.com.

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The Saturn V is a work of art, and a magnificent one. Why then does it seem a good idea to cover up one piece of art with another? (Rampant Armstrong-Drydenism?)

And I don't think a tourist should have to check the New York City website to see if the Statue of Liberty is available for viewing. A tourist going there expects to see the Statue, and someone headed to the Space & Rocket Center expects to see a Saturn V, not a blanket. I'd fully understand any visitor's frustration if the Saturn V had to be missed due to what amounts to, in my opinion, a publicity stunt.

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I don't think a tourist should have to check the New York City website to see if the Statue of Liberty is available for viewing.
Given that the Statue of Liberty was closed to visitors for all but a day between Oct. 29, 2011 and July 4, 2013, first for infrastructure upgrades (elevators, staircases, restrooms, etc.) and then due to Hurricane Sandy (the federal shutdown in October 2013 also closed access to Liberty Island), it was indeed prudent for visitors to first check if the statue was open.

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There's a difference, of course, between necessary or emergency closures, and wholly foreseeable and/or frivolous ones.

Covering up the Saturn V, to provide a canvas for other "art", would rightly upset those who traveled to see it even if they didn't think to check the USSRC website first. (And I could imagine visitors checking the site rather routinely just for the USSRC's operating hours, and yet not run across the info that the Saturn V couldn't be viewed due to an "art project".)

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quote:
Originally posted by chet:
The Saturn V is a work of art, and a magnificent one. Why then does it seem a good idea to cover up one piece of art with another?
Absolutely what Chet says. The art project is a great way for kids to share their ideas about space. Hang the artwork on the wall. Keep it off the hardware please.

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Agreed. Can't say I'm a fan of this project. If it does indeed go forward, I'll avoid the USSRC during the display time period.

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There's a difference, of course, between necessary or emergency closures, and wholly foreseeable and/or frivolous ones.
The question was whether people would first check a website for closures. In that case, it doesn't matter the reason for the closure; a closure is a closure.

And if The Dream Rocket goes forward, it is not a closure. The exhibit will still be open — the Saturn V itself may still be visible, too, depending on how the wrapping is applied.

I could fully understand the objections if this was a permanent change, but this is proposed as a short-term exhibit. It might even draw more visitors to the USSRC than the Saturn V alone given that the Davidson Center for Space Exploration has been open since 2008.

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I have to agree with the others.

While a closure is a closure, that is one thing. And if the center was closed during a planned visit and I didn't know about it because I didn't bother to check the website, then it's my fault.

This is not a closure. The center will still be open. However, the mighty Saturn V will likely not be visible. And to me, that would be for a frivolous reason. Leave the Saturn V alone. It is beauty in it's own right. It is history in it's own right. To cover it up with "art", even temporarily, diminishes the value of that history and it's beauty.

To use the example from above about the Statue of Liberty, what would it take to get permission to cover it with this "art"? Near impossible. Why the difference? Both pieces are still historic and beautiful in their own right. Covering the Saturn V with "art" is disrespectful of that history and beauty.

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I just can't help but think of kids going to Space Camp, who are on a fixed timeframe for maybe the only time ever, then not getting to see the most impressive thing there...
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Originally posted by Rocketman!:
I just stumbled upon a featured ad for the Dream Rocket Project on the Kicktraq web site. Apparently, after coming short of their goal in June, the team has started another Kickstarter campaign. This time they are looking to meet a goal of $12,100, which will slightly more than make up the difference by which they missed last time.
Just a thought, why can't there be a kickstarter fund set up to PREVENT this from taking place? That, I'd donate a few bucks to!

I'm serious, by the way...

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When I was at the center last year, it was stated categorically this was not going to happen. They would look at other avenues but draping the Saturn V was not going to happen.

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How the mighty have fallen. Instead of sending three men to the moon, this gigantic rocket could now be covered by a quilt. How very sad.

When spaceport USA was preparing Saturn V's for trips to the moon in the 60's and everyone was saying that the future had arrived, I wonder if this is the future they envisaged.

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Sounds like a lot of you are unhappy about covering the Saturn V. Add me to the list of those against. I have limited time to get away from work, and if my window of opportunity to visit forced me to see a quilt instead of the rocket, then I would probably lose some of my appreciation for art.

Maybe there's a compromise: Bring in David Copperfield or other illusionist to make it "appear" that the quilt is covering the rocket, depending on viewing angle. Mirrors!

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In a way, I'm torn on the overall concept, because I went to art school and am an illustrator/cartoonist for books and magazines every now and then. I get that art isn't limited to just something you hang on a wall. Truly, I get that, more than many in the public at large.

I DO get what they're trying to do. But quilt patterns? It's been done already, just not to a Saturn V. It loses artistic merit in my mind in that it's not that original of a concept.

Really, what the concept here? Shock value? Message? Sounds more like a "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." idea than anything with what truly appears to have true artistic merit.

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