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Paul23
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Not that I have any interest in wrestling but I have just seen that Buzz Aldrin is going to host WWE Monday Night Raw next Monday. I'm not sure this is such a wise move.
World Wrestling Entertainment has announced that Buzz Aldrin will guest host a special two hour commercial-free Monday Night Raw® live from the Air Canada Centre in Toronto, Ontario on May 17 at 9PM ET / 8PM CT on USA Network.

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So long as he's not getting suited up and entering the ring, as "Dr. Rendezvous" or "Moon Man from Montclair" or something!

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I was contacted by WWE last week asking if I could supply them with a Large Lunar Panoramic backdrop. Now I know why....

Unfortunately there was not enough time to get it made.

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OOOHH! A Texas cage match against Bart Sibrel maybe? My money is on Buzz! I'll even buy him a folding table to drop Sibrel on!

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This is a new low for Buzz.

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I'm all for the man having fun and persuing goals or dreams but this is ridiculous, something Shatner would do. It doesn't make you take him seriously anymore. What's next? A duet with Taylor Swift?

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Originally posted by Delta7:
So long as he's not getting suited up and entering the ring, as "Dr. Rendezvous" or "Moon Man from Montclair" or something!
According to the Miami Herald:
Aldrin will be appearing under his official WWE name Rocket Hero.

...the legendary space hero joins an already prestigious list of celebrity guest hosts, including Emmy-winning actor Jeremy Piven, NBA All-Star Shaquille O'Neal, comedian Wayne Brady, television legend Bob Barker and Ryan Phillippe, Kristen Wiig and Will Forte from the cast of the feature film MacGruber.

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I do hope he doesn't hear about the UK TV shows "The X Factor" or "Britain's Got Talent!" Shows I have never or would ever watch by the way!!

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Aldrin will be appearing under his official WWE name Rocket Hero.

...the legendary space hero joins an already prestigious list of celebrity guest hosts, including Emmy-winning actor Jeremy Piven, NBA All-Star Shaquille O'Neal, comedian Wayne Brady, television legend Bob Barker and Ryan Phillippe, Kristen Wiig and Will Forte from the cast of the feature film MacGruber.

The 2nd man on the moon is being likened to Bob Barker, an athlete and a bunch of people I never heard of?

That's sad. I am so glad Armstrong was the first.

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That's sad.
You know what I find even more sad? That most people don't know who any of the men who walked on the Moon are because for some reason many feel astronauts cannot, or should not, be marketed like any other celebrity.

Maybe some are content with relegating astronauts to history text books, but if they are, then they shouldn't complain if and when the public relegates the space program to our past rather than our future.

Out of sight, out of mind.

Over the past couple of weeks and months, Buzz Aldrin has appeared on the highest rated television show in the United States, the highest rated (and critically-acclaimed) comedy and now the longest running, weekly episodic television show in history.

We need more astronauts on television -- and in all media formats -- not less.

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Just like the US manned space program. It's all going downhill from here....

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I know that Buzz enjoys doing different things. He's been involved in several books, performed with Buzz Lightyear and even sang on a Rap CD. Maybe he never turned down an honest dollar either. "Dancing With The Stars" was an opportunity to promote space flight history and promote the future as well. What I saw was that he wasn't allowed to make such a message!

I'm reserving my judgment on this, but I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if Mr. Aldrin is involved in any fake scuffle or choreographed wrestling. He holds all the cards here I believe he should dictate to the producers of the show that he has a message that needs to be delivered! We'll see!

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Never mind!

WWE: Mediaplayer > Raw: Legendary astronaut Buzz Aldrin lands in the WWE Universe as Raw guest host

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I am glad that astronauts get exposed but where does he draw the limit? He's starting to make a mockery of things. I'm also glad he wasn't the first, maybe someone else should have been number two.

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I would liked to have seen Col. Aldrin on shows like The Big Bang Theory rather than DWTS or WWE. Wasn't he also on an episode of The Simpsons? There are instances where public exposure of astronauts on the entertainment level have been positive. When I see my friends' kids playing with Buzz Lightyear figures, I always tell them that he was named after the 2nd man to walk on the moon and the quicktime movies of Buzz Lightyear and Buzz prepping for the shuttle flight last year were great. I even remember Gen. McDivitt was on a Brady Bunch episode dealing with UFOs and it was a hoot talking to him about that at SpaceFest.

I guess things have changed since I was a kid and that viewers today are more interested in watching celebrities on these competitive or reality shows. I've talked to my friends who aren't as knowledgeable of the space program, but watch these shows and say, "hey, that's one of the guys that walked on the moon." So in reality if Buzz is trying to keep the space program alive, he has accomplished this and if he is having fun in doing these things, so be it.

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He's starting to make a mockery of things.
Would the millions of fans of the WWE agree with you? What about the millions of viewers of "Dancing with the Stars"? I don't particularly enjoy either show, but clearly many, many people do...

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You know what I find even more sad? That most people don't know who any of the men who walked on the Moon are because for some reason many feel astronauts cannot, or should not, be marketed like any other celebrity.
No, I don't think an astronaut, especially a moonwalker, especially a moonwalker on the first lunar landing mission should be marketed like any other celebrity. They are not like any other celebrity.

The mind-numbing reality shows where any moron can become a celebrity is beneath any astronaut let alone someone like Aldrin.

Hang with morons, be shown with morons, and you'll be thought of as a moron.

Aldrin is making a mockery of what he did.

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We need more astronauts on television -- and in all media formats -- not less.
Not like this we don't.

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They are not like any other celebrity.
And there, in a nutshell, is the attitude that is the problem. Long live the astronaut statue, may he stand in peace where only a few can see him...

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My only concern with this would be if a vigourous, well intentioned campaign of raising awareness of space flight begins to be perceived by the public (his target audience after all) as a desperation for fame.

The other side of the coin of course is, if this is what he wants to do and he has fun doing it then who are any of us to stop him!

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Robert, I respectfully disagree with your stance. jimsz put it perfectly.

To appear on a show alongside Kate Gosselin, Pamela Anderson and whatever other C-list celebrity who happened to be on the show is beneath Buzz. What is Gosselin's talent? What is her skill set? She is famous for nothing other than being famous, while Buzz did something that only 11 others in the history of mankind have achieved. Appearing on the show cheapens his legacy, no matter how highly rated the show might be.

If the goal was to educate the public on all things spaceflight, what, exactly, did his appearance accomplish? There is a right way to do things, and this wasn't it. Sorry.

And now pro wrestling? That's just ... I don't even have the words to describe how utterly disappointing that is. That's educating the public on spaceflight? No sir. That's self promotion, nothing more, nothing less. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with keeping your name out there. However, there is a way to do with with dignity ... and this ain't it.

Finally, I have long wished that the opposite ends of the publicity spectrum that are Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin could somehow meet in the middle to achieve a happy compromise. I would love to see Neil in the public more often, to pick his brain on his career and accomplishments. That he has not chosen to do an autograph signing for the charity of his choice borders on the tragic. How many of us on this board would gladly pay $1,000 for a personalized autographed photo of the first man to walk on the lunar surface? Sign 100 and that's $100,000 to the charity of his choice. He could raise $1 million for maybe a week's worth of work, give or take a day or two.

Then there's "All Buzz, All the time." Which is the better approach? I really and truly have to wonder.

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Appearing on the show cheapens his legacy, no matter how highly rated the show might be... And now pro wrestling?
Many would assume the same thing about NASCAR, Rick, and yet I am sure you don't feel that Dick Gordon or any of the other astronauts who have appeared at races (sometimes with your help) have cheapened their legacy.

The point is, you are applying your own personal tastes to decide what is and what is not acceptable. If throwing the first pitch at a baseball game is acceptable, and riding in the pace car at a NASCAR race is acceptable, then hosting WWE Raw should be acceptable, too.

If appearing on "Frasier" is acceptable for one astronaut, then appearing on "30 Rock" by another should be acceptable, too.

If competing on "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" is acceptable for one astronaut, then competing on "Dancing with the Stars" should be acceptable for another astronaut, too.

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Then there's "All Buzz, All the time."
I wish it wasn't "All Buzz, All the time" -- I wish it was "All Buzz, Charlie, John, Gene, Jack and even Neil, All the time" instead...

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Oh no you didn't bring NASCAR into this. It's on now, brother man ...

I think the bottom here for those of us on this side of the fence is the "all Buzz all the time" factor. If he had just done DWTS or just done WWE, most of us would've shaken our heads and figured, "That's just Buzz being Buzz." The Buzz Lightyear angle was incredibly cool. But at the time, it was JUST Buzz Lightyear. But then came the rap video... and DWTS... and WWE... and heaven only knows what's next... it's too much. It's not about education. It's about Buzz.

Throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game or riding in the pace car is far different than hosting WWE. You do either of the first two and then you sit down and shut up. You host WWE and you make a horse's rump of yourself. At Dick Gordon's appearance at a NASCAR race in Phoenix several years ago, every single person he spoke to wanted to know what it was like to go to the moon. It was about spaceflight, not Dick Gordon.

Competing on "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" is far different than DWTS. "Fifth Grader" is at its very essence about education. It is about how smart our children are and what they can go on to do in the future. DWTS is about nothing more than shameless self-promotion of the participants.

Robert, I do agree with one assessment of yours. I wish as well that the surviving M-G-A astronauts were in the public eye more often, but in a dignified light.

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I also disagree with you to a certain extent Robert. I like to see them in the public eye but when you appear almost anywhere as long as you get paid, you make a mockery of yourself. That's one reason why ex-Presidents don't do ads.

At least DWTS, there is a certain level of skill needed if you participate. If an audience is all that is required if that people like the appearance, then why shouldn't he do an endorsement for the next "Girls Gone Wild" Video?

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I agree with Robert that more astronauts doing more appearances would do more for increasing the public's awareness of themselves and their accomplishments. And I respecfully disagree with my friend Rick that driving a pace car is different from appearing on WWE - remember 1971 when the pace car driver lost control and crashed, injuring 20 people? There's a horse's rump for you. By the way, John Glenn was also aboard that year.

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That's one reason why ex-Presidents don't do ads.
Just a point of fact, President H.W. Bush has filmed commercials for Gallery Furniture in Houston.

As for DWTS and WWE Raw, both have huge audiences -- audiences that do not normally think about space. If nothing else comes from Aldrin's appearance on these shows, his presence re-associates astronauts as being celebrities in the viewers' minds, and that is important.

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Throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game or riding in the pace car is far different than hosting WWE. You do either of the first two and then you sit down and shut up.
But that's because that's the format of the venue, so in essence you are saying that the MLB and NASCAR are more respectable than WWE, and that's a matter of personal taste. (For the record, I am neither a fan of baseball, car races or wrestling, so I have no dog in this fight, so to speak.)

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I don't watch baseball. Would not watch NASCAR. Will never watch wrestling.

The sport takes lifelong dedication and training to achieve professional status. NASCAR though in a different light also is a field where skill, luck and talent come into play. Wrestling? Guess what, it's fake.

Someone like Buzz could use his celebrity to expose people to "space" much more effectively in other pursuits if that were what this was about.

This comes across as Buzz promoting Buzz (which he has a right to do). Don't make it out as more than it is.

The elderly should have a certain amount of class and dignity and this is not either.

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This comes across as Buzz promoting Buzz (which he has a right to do). Don't make it out as more than it is.
Over the past decade or so of working around and for Aldrin, I have never known him to be interested in promoting himself. Others around him, certainly, but Aldrin himself -- if he agrees to doing anything promotional -- it has been because he truly believes it further advances his support of space exploration.

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I'm all for more astronaut and aerospace engineers in the media, too. But in communications, a strategy needs to be established and followed.

Do some of the agencies who provide astronauts as speakers apply such prosepction strategies towards the media, i.e. that actively pitch their astronaut clients towards positive presence in the media? How about NASA for active astronauts?

For instance, let us not only secure visibility for the historical figures such as Aldrin. Use the Aldrins out there to impose visibility for astronauts and engineers from other generations.

Let's try to list here the TV shows where we'd like to see astronauts. Shows of positive influence, with audience diversity, including children's show.

I don't watch too much TV, so I'm thinking of only one show: "Myth Busters". They already have debunked the Moon hoax, but there are so many myth related to astronomy and astronautics that there's ample opportunity to feature good people.

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I think of it this way, if Col. Aldrin is trying to promote space exploration, where is the best place to maximize viewership? How many people go to booksignings, lectures, or even watch "who's smarter than a fifth grader?" These venues are small compared to programs like DWTS or WWE.

Back in the early sixties, the tv shows were "What's My Line?", "To Tell the Truth," and "I've Got a Secret". They had people like Maj. Glen and Neil Armstrong's parents. Here they were promoting the space program to a wide audience.

I remember somewhere on cS, Capt. Conrad attended an event at a stadium that had no relevance to education, but he was there to meet everyday people that came to that event.

Some may say that lectures are for the esoteric or snooty individuals.

Unfortunately today, our society is more interested in watching these celebrity-based shows, rather than educational shows where astronauts can easily be placed.

Instead of criticizing Col. Aldrin, we should look at ourselves and what our society has become.

As for being old and to act one's age, KUDOS to Col. Aldrin and Betty White!

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Robert... we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I believe you may be looking at the situation through rose-colored glasses due to your association with Buzz, and that's fine. I don't pretend to know the man... I'm just making what may or may not be an accurate observation concerning his motivations.

Still love ya, brother. You're still in the will!!!

And, Gary Milgrom, Dick Gordon didn't drive the pace car. He just rode in it during the pace laps of the Busch Series race. He didn't hop in and go tearing around the track, bouncing off walls and bump-drafting Dale Jr.

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The mind-numbing reality shows where any moron can become a celebrity is beneath any astronaut let alone someone like Aldrin.
Hear, hear.

Certainly on the trashy UK versions of these shows, the presence of e.g. a "famous" footballer hasn't encouraged more kids to take up football, so I don't see how Buzz's presence is going to encourage any interest in space. These shows are (a) mere self-publicity for those whose careers have fallen upon hard times and (b) false aspiration raisers for youth who see "celebrity" as something easily earned and easily achieved.

Don't credit ANY of the stars with doing this for any other reasons than cash and/or SELF-publicity.

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Some of the celebs can't ballroom dance, (as with most of us) and would like to learn from the best teachers, and make some money besides. Buzz wasn't doing it for that reason, though. He can make more money in one day autographing. And he is obviously too stiff to dance.

It CAN really be altruistic. Picture yourself as an 11 year old. You've been told by friends we never really walked on the moon, you blindly accept it, because it's on the internet. You've never even seen a real space suit. Then Buzz appears on the WWE (or DWTS) and everyone's gushing over this aging moonwalker who seems pretty cool, mixing it up with your heroes. Maybe most of the world thinks we DID walk the moon.

Maybe you'll go home and Google Buzz, or Moon landing, and critical thinking shows you the truth. You even convince a few friends.

Later, you enroll at MIT, study engineering and exoGeology and go to Mars.

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Over the past decade or so of working around and for Aldrin, I have never known him to be interested in promoting himself.
To those who may know him it's easy for you to say that. Whether it is true or not, nobody knows.

I'm just looking at it as someone in the cheap seats. You see an old guy who was a part of something extraordinary and someone who has achieved "hero" status for all the right reasons. Then you see him selling himself in tacky situations, where one person sees him as "selling" the space program and others see him being made a fool of.

Mr. Aldrin will not convince an 11 year to study in college by appearing on WWE, he could influence an 11 year old by carry himself with some dignity and class.

What's next, the Buzz daily webcast where he walks into the local WalMart and hopes to be recognized as the guy from Dancing with the Stars?

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I have trouble believing that Buzz can inspire a kid towards science/exploration by appearing in a pseudo sports venue that asks its audience to check their brains at the door. (At least baseball and NASCAR are legitimate sports competitions...none of which can be said of WWE.) Buzz's participation in over-the-top mindless entertainment that is choreographed (faked) will not convince anyone that we went to the moon. If anything, it might convince some that Buzz is (and was) willing to do anything in order to be famous. Some people might even make the argument (however false) that he participated in a moon landing hoax just to be famous.

The rule that "any publicity is good publicity" doesn't apply to astronauts.

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In case you haven't seen this... it also appeared on "The Soup" last night.

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I don't like this...

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Given how some here seem to enjoy beating up on Buzz and his chosen activities, I would think they'd enjoy seeing him being slammed by a folding chair...

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Certainly don't like the pink mankini. THAT should come with an adults-only warning.


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