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Dirk
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Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

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Edger Mitchell's story was even in the TV news. I guess if there's time for this, there isn't really any news.

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Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.
Well with research like this the article must be factual!

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And the DAILY MAIL is the standard bearer of journalistic integrity in the UK so of course its gotta be true...

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I was curious if Dr. Mitchell was misquoted, so I found the original Kerrang! radio interview, quoted by the Daily Mail (and other news sources).

Based on the nine minute call, it (a) doesn't seem to be anything tremendously different from prior comments and writings by Dr. Mitchell, and (b) he isn't actually claiming first-hand knowledge but rather repeating what he was told by others. It is no secret that Dr. Mitchell's Noetic Science Institute attracts those that believe in extraterrestrials and that he has attended numerous conferences where they have been on the agenda for discussion, thus what he says here is of little surprise (and some might argue, consequence).

What made this interview jump from being just another late night radio call to tabloid headlines seems to be the total lack of knowledge by its host of Dr. Mitchell's history. Had Mitchell been talking to Art Bell, for example, it's questionable whether the same comments would have been noticed the next day.

Of course, the Daily Mail (and other tabloids) only chose to quote from Dr. Mitchell's sensational comments, ignoring that he said that many of the UFO reports are "home grown" and made up...

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Is everyone so arrogant as to think that Earth based human life is the only intelligence in our universe? Nothing against humans, but I'm praying there's something a little more intelligent than us out here.

While I don't subscribe to the X-Files, Uri Geller or the other UFO mania that claims ET's are living among us, there is some evidence of ET's visiting that can't be dismissed.

I've spoken at length with Dr. Mitchell about his work and the work of others in his field. He's an incredibly brilliant man, whether you agree with him or not.

While many think he's got his head in the clouds, he's actually got it in different dimensions and his level of intellect is far beyond his engineer training. Let's face it, if he wasn't the best of the best, he wouldn't have passed NASA's selection process and he wouldn't have been selected to walk on the moon.

It's obvious that the UFO mania is nothing more than tabloid trash, however, look at the case of Betty & Barney Hill, who in 1963 claimed to be abducted by ETs and experimented on. Neither of them had any interest in ETs, they knew nothing about space or astronomy. Two years after they were abducted by ET, they had nightmares so often that they went to a doctor who suggested they do hypnosis to find out what the problem was. Over the next few weeks of hypnosis, Betty Hill remembered the entire event and of seeing a star chart that ET showed her of the other planets they routinely traveled to. Betty was able to reproduce the star chart, but when it was shown to astronomers from 1965-67, they said no such solar system existed. In 1971, Betty's solar system, that she drew of the star chart on ET's ship was discovered.

So how did a 1963 housewife, who had no interest in astronomy and didn't own a telescope, discover an unknown solar system before the greatest minds on Earth found it?

Don't laugh too hard at Dr. Mitchell, one day his ideas may very well be correct. One other point, look how Gordo Cooper was misquoted in his book by the guy who helped write it and if you only knew Gordo from his book, you'd think he had a screw loose, instead of being on of the finest pilots this country has ever produced.

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There's good reason why I have a steadfast rule that UFOs and visiting ETs are not subject matter for collectSPACE.

This particular topic was unavoidable, much like the discussion of Gordon Cooper's "Leap of Faith" but beyond the immediate subject of the Dr. Mitchell interview, if you are interested in debating the existence of visiting ETs, I'd recommend an excellent website: Bad Astronomy.

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In 1971, Betty's solar system, that she drew of the star chart on ET's ship was discovered.

Given that the first extrasolar planet wasn't discovered until 1988 or 1992 (depending on which source you use) any claims of confirmed solar systems circa 1971 would seem to be unreliable.

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Carl Sagan pretty much debunked the Hill star map in Cosmos.

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Irene Klotz with the Discovery Channel interviewed Edgar Mitchell on Thursday about the recent news reports and his belief in UFOs.

Apollo Astronaut Chats About UFO, Alien Belief

IK: Well first of all thanks very much for making a little time. I wanted to ask you if there was anything about the radio interview you did that was different from what you've said in the past.

EM: No, there's nothing different. Several of (the reports of the interview) that I've seen come around have some flaws in them. Some of the reports pushed it or spun it incorrectly. NASA had nothing to do with anything I've done. I wasn't briefed by NASA. There haven't been any sightings as a result of my flight service there, so if that part of it comes out on anything you've seen it is just totally wrong.

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posted 07-24-2008 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Glint:
Given that the first extrasolar planet wasn't discovered until 1988 or 1992 (depending on which source you use) any claims of confirmed solar systems circa 1971 would seem to be unreliable.
I'm not Swiss so I don't really care who discovered what first but from what I've read in astronomical publications, the first extrasolar planet was discovered in 1995 by Swiss astronomers Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz- I guess the difference lies with what kind of stars you're referring to.

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Edgar Mitchell is convinced that Uri Geller is the real deal. But all you need do is go to YouTube to see many examples of Geller cheating.

And here's the kicker. As of late Geller has been dropping hints that he's just a lovable scalawag, a charming prankster, out for a bit of harmless fun.

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MSNBC' Morning Joe program repeated the same media drivel about Mitchell and Shepard holding the record for the longest moonwalk, and that aliens exist and the government will have to admit that soon or later.

Now I love "Morning Joe" and I'll admit it was included with the "News you can't Use" segment but I sure wish media outlets would stop just repeating what the previous media outlet released. C'mon MSNBC do your own homework and research.

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Last night's Late Show with David Letterman featured a Top 10 List inspired by Dr. Mitchell's media coverage.
Top Ten NASA Excuses [of covering up aliens]
  • 10. Didn't think it was a big deal
  • 9. We would like to visit these aliens but gas is so damn expensive
  • 8. Too much Tang
  • 7. Been sort of preoccupied with this giant asteroid that's headed toward Earth
  • 6. We were waiting to reveal it on a very special episode of "The Tyra Banks Show"
  • 5. Hey chillax, bro
  • 4. No number 4 -- writer abducted by aliens
  • 3. Too upset to talk after what happened to Pluto
  • 2. Busy trying to confirm evidence of A-Rod/Madonna sex video
  • 1. Our leader isn't as bright as their leader

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posted 07-25-2008 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mitchell elaborates here.

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"Unfortunately, you the press show no interest whatsoever. The giggle factor has been too high. But the science behind it and the research behind it, among the people I know, is accepted. It's real." - Dr. Mitchell

And I believe he is speaking the truth. I admire him for speaking up over the years, although no one really listens.

Dr Mitchell is really a brilliant man, yet, as he's stated, the press has no interest at all. Its almost taboo, you might get ridiculed for even persuing such non sense.

So what can you do, except share information with people of like minds and similar experiences. The press wouldn't know how to handle it.

This might be a great opportunity for Robert to personally interview Dr Mitchell, and let him speak of his experiences.

I am certain it would be illuminating.

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This might be a great opportunity for Robert to personally interview Dr Mitchell, and let him speak of his experiences.
As earlier linked, I think my colleague in the press, Irene Klotz, already did about as fine a job as I could.

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I respectfully disagree. She barely touched the surface. I believe you are the person to interview Dr Mitchell.

The media has already begun spinning this in every direction.

The truth is out there and what a fantastic opportunity to set the facts straight, right here on collectSPACE. Go for it Robert!

Now's the time. I'm sure he'll tell you a hell of alot more than anyone else out there who interviews him.

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I'm sure he'll tell you a hell of alot more than anyone else out there who interviews him.
Even were that true, which I doubt, our focus is on the history of space exploration (by humans, on human-built craft). There are other sites that focus on SETI that would be much better suited to host such a discussion. I am content with covering Dr. Mitchell's accomplishments as an astronaut.

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Isn't this forum called 'Free Space' Robert?

Isn't the forum's purpose to allow discussion on space-related topics not covered elsewhere on cS? And isn't SETI one of the ultimate goals of space research?

Surely the views of one of your true American Astronaut heroes must constitute a valid topic for discussion?

(Incidentally, in the interest of truth and balance, Dr Mitchell's opinions were reported in: The Sun, The Telegraph, The Times, The Mirror, The Express, The Guardian and NOT just the Daily Mail. I'm afraid that claim was just a cheap shot at trying to tie Mitchell in with the conservative press here in the UK!)

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Surely the views of one of your true American Astronaut heroes must constitute a valid topic for discussion?
This thread exists to discuss Dr. Mitchell's views by nature of the press coverage they received as a result of his being an astronaut. Beyond that limited scope however, this website is not suited for the discussion of UFOs or alien encounters.

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I cant fathom how someone as bright as Mitchell, who even if he does believe the points espoused, wouldn't understand the adverse ramifications to his personal credibility, fellow astronauts and the US Govt by taking this to the open press, particularly without substantiating evidence. He left Government service in the early 70's so any affiliated access and security clearances held would have been terminated at that point. He comments that JFK was the last one briefed on UFO's - last time I checked Mitchell wasnt an NSC staffer (ever) and wouldn't be in a position to know what any president was briefed on. In coming out this way, he has enabled a result opposite his intended outcome, compromised the integrity of the astronaut corp and tarnished his prior legacy of achievement during the space program.

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He's 77 and knows the truth. Many folks just cant fathom that, and that's alright. Its easier to mock and giggle about it, or ignore it altogether if you can't or don't want to acknowledge the science behind it.

This isn't something that Dr Mitchell just came up with, and David, you hit it right on the head.

This is Robert's site, and I was surely mistaken that he wouldn't take the ball and run with the opportunity to have Dr. Mitchell explain his experiences right here on cS, in Free Space.

It would sure open up a lot of peoples eyes, and minds.

Dr. Mitchell is brilliant. Think about that for a moment.

I'll bet a few more Apollo astronauts will come out and support him in the months to come.

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I don't want to get involved in flaming on here, but I cannot believe how quick some of you are to both judge and ridicule Dr Mitchell: the man is extremely intelligent, experienced and far better qualified to talk about Space-related topics than ANYONE on here!

The guy in charge of collating UFO reports for the MoD here in the UK has become a staunch advocate of the extraterrestrial origins of UFOs. Maybe it's time we all opened our minds to the possibilities before we leap in to judge others.

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I am not necessarily refuting his core premise. Am just stating that when an individual like Dr. Mitchell goes on the record and declares "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real" without amplification regarding the circumstances of how he acquired this knowledge and providing supporting evidence that will stand up to scientific and investigative scrutiny, he places himself at risk of ridicule and dismissal because such a proclamation will be framed against the overwhelmingly large number of very similar claims that have been soundly disproven after forensics are applied. In that respect he is doing a huge disservice to his cause and anybody else who seeks to legitimately advance the position that we have been "visited".

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I'll bet a few more Apollo astros will come out and support him in the months to come.
If this suggestion is based simply on camaraderie, okay, but we should be clear (because Dr. Mitchell is clear) that his statements about extraterrestrials visiting Earth have nothing to do with his NASA experience.
"NASA had nothing to do with anything I've done. I wasn't briefed by NASA. There haven't been any sightings as a result of my flight service there, so if that part of it comes out on anything you've seen it is just totally wrong."
And what is the implication if another Apollo astronaut disagrees with Dr. Mitchell? Are you suggesting that he (the other, theoretical Apollo astronaut) is lying, or just that he is less intelligent than Dr. Mitchell?

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Bad Astronomy's Phil Plait has posted what I think is a very reasonable, respectful response, echoing some of the comments I made earlier about this not being new (or news) and emphasizing that extraordinary claims require solid, factual evidence.
OK, yes, an Apollo Moonwalker thinks greys are coming here and probing us or whatever. Fine. He can believe what he wants. I think he's wrong, but he has the right to believe that.

Two points on this. First, of course, the UFO folks will go ballistic over this, because, after all, Mitchell was an astronaut and walked on the Moon. But then, see my "get out of reality card" comment above. Also, this is simply argument from authority, which is bad logic. It doesn't matter who believes in aliens. What matters is -- hello! -- evidence.

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The trouble with such evidence is that it has a convenient habit of disappearing!

We all know that 12 men walked on the Moon, but the only evidence is their testimony, some photos (many of which have been retouched), and a few hundred pounds of rocks which few people have seen or are competent to comment upon!

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So let me see if understand your logic: The moon hoax is to the belief in UFOs, as the moon landing is to UFOs being real? Really?

You realize that by making that argument you are suggesting that UFO believers share common traits with the moon hoax crowd. Oh, wait...

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Clever use of semantics, Robert: but as you well know, the point I'm making is that we tend to choose which evidence to believe and which to ridicule. It is only 50 years ago that it was conceded that many large craters on Earth were caused by meteorite impacts: until then anyone who suggested such a thing was ridiculed. And yet the evidence was plain for everyone to see, and now the number of meteoric impact sites increases by one a month.

So are cS-ers going to ridicule Charlie Duke and Jim Irwin for their belief in a totally unprovable benign and invisible deity, for whom there is far less evidence than exists for UFOs?

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Your analogy still fails, David. The craters -- the hard evidence for the impacts -- existed for scientific study, whether we initially understood them or not. Likewise, the moon rocks exist. Anyone with a desire can take the time to become well versed in planetary geology and then prove to themselves that the moon landings were real.

There is no such incontrovertible evidence in support of extraterrestrial visits to Earth. Produce that evidence and the world's scientists will start taking the claims seriously. Until then, to quote Carl Sagan, UFOs belong more to the realm of superstition and religion than they do science.

And yes, I said religion, and no, I'm not ridiculing those who choose to believe in a deity. But it is a belief, not a science and as such cannot be asserted as fact. If a moonwalker says there is a god, it doesn't make it true for anyone other than himself.

David, you earlier asked, "Surely the views of one of your true American Astronaut heroes must constitute a valid topic for discussion?" Well, by your reasoning, collectSPACE should also be devoting time to discussing the world's religions, as there are astronauts who subscribe to each of them.

I'm sorry, but that's not what this website exists to do.

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The suggestion I made was based on camaraderie, I am aware that during his NASA career he had no personal sightings. Other Apollo astros disagreeing with him is fine; they all have their own personal experiences and beliefs.

And with all due respect to Carl Sagan and Phil Plait, they offer their knowledge and opinions which are based on conventional science. I am not in a position to debate them, but they might not have/had 'all of the information needed' to make such conclusions. Again, I love and respect them both.

Let me give you a personal example of an unexplainable event.

My mom went to a place called Medjugorje, and on more than one occasion, along with many hundreds of people, witnessed an apparition. No need to go into any of the details, but one has to ask how do you begin to explain such an event.

Did it really happen, or was it some kind of a mass hallucination?

Something extraordinary did in fact happen, and although I wasn't there, I believe my mom. She wouldn't lie to me.

My point is that conventional science has no way to explain such phenomena.

So the easy thing to do is dismiss it, or come up with a ton of reasons why it isn't so.

But the kicker is -- it is so.

There are groups of people who live this and study this, and it is in fact very real, just like the UFO phenomena.

SRI has had a history of some pretty extraordinary events unfolding at their facility, and then there is another type of phenomena known as Remote Viewing, which is probably right up there with the topic at hand, in all of its unpopularity.

My point again is, just because we don't believe in something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

How naive can one be?

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...and, anyone who has not familiarized themselves with Dr. Mitchell's work, would benefit greatly by reading one of his books.

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And with that advice, I think this is a good time to close this thread.

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