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nasamad
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posted 06-28-2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if there are indexes available for NASA images other than the Apollo lunar ones?

I'm talking about all the training photos, equipment images and various diagrams that NASA has issued over the years.

I did try to start a sort of index for Apollo artists concepts on my site a few years but but never managed to fill in the gaps.

I think it would be great if we could get together and produce an index to all the images that reside in our personal collections (don't worry Ed, we'll give you extra time!), just a simple text file with the image number and a description of the image.

Maybe someone with better website knowledge than me could make it so it's available online and we could log in and fill in the blank spaces.

Any volunteers, criticism, advice, (free money)?

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posted 06-28-2008 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do have a NASA publication named "NASA Photography Index, NP-104" (1987) with a list of referenced pictures (b&w, color) covering Apollo, space probes, Skylab, Shuttle etc. The book mentions that it's a list of photos available from NASA (I guess back in 1987)- available: color 4-by-5 inch transparencies and b&w 8-by-10 inch glossies. For free.

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posted 06-29-2008 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the heads up Chris, I'll look for that, but I'm guessing it won't be comprehensive.

I have made a small start as an example of the kind of listing I was thinking of, descriptions are from the JSC image collection (ignore the stuff below it was just the easiest page to add it to).

As a text file it is easy to update and add missing info, I just need to find a way to put it online and make it accessible for updating by numerous people.

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posted 06-29-2008 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right, Adam. The book was released by the Public Affairs Office so it's images made available for the press. And as you pointed out, Ed always manages to come up with unusual shots.

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posted 06-30-2008 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea, Adam. I can send you what I have, which is a Word-file of various photo-captions (and numbers) which I have assembled over the years. It is by no means complete (if such a thing even exists) and it is mainly Mercury-Gemini-Apollo.

I also have a similar list of NASA HQ-numbers (69-H-123 or 69-HC-123), which is rather long. Problem with that is that they switched to another numbering system sometime during 1964. Before that photos were filed with the subject matter part of the number: 64-Apollo-10 or 64-GT3-20.

And then there are the KSC photos...

We could even think of adding thumbs to the list and... OK, hold it. Don't get too ambitious!

(Edit: Adam, I see you already did that with the artist concepts - looks good.)

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posted 06-30-2008 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Chris and Ed,

I really think this would be a useful asset for alot of us on collectSPACE.

I'm looking into learning how to work with databases and forms within my website (if my server is capable of dealing with this stuff) then i need to learn to make the pages but I'd be glad if you would email your word file over in the meantime as it may have a better formatting system than the one on my page.

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posted 06-30-2008 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adam, is your idea to assemble a somewhat similar site to Kipp Teague's Apollo image database but focusing on non-Apollo images?

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posted 06-30-2008 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adam, I have sent you my JSC list. Let me know when you receive it. Here is a sample from it:
  • S65-10154
    Astronaut Rusty Schweickart inspecting Gemini spacecraft.

  • S65-10173 to S65-10176
    Gemini crew during water egress training.

  • S65-10483 November 24, 1964
    Astronauts John W. Young (left) and Virgil Grissom are shown during suiting up for egress training during Gemini-Titan 2 simulation launch at Pad 19.

  • S65-10644 November 19, 1964
    Astronaut John Young is shown inspecting the inside of Gemini spacecraft at the Mission Control Center at Cape Kennedy, Florida.

  • S65-18200 March 23, 1965
    Overall view of Mission Control Center - Houston during the Gemini-Titan 3 flight.

  • S65-18737 to S65-18761 March 23, 1965
    Gemini-3 onboard photos of earth.

  • S65-19770 April 1965
    Assembly begins of the Little Joe II launch vehicle for Apollo launch escape system test A-003, the fourth in a series of tests at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. The aftbody of the launcher is hoisted into position for erection on Launch Complex 36. Six Algol rocket motors will power the Little Joe II launch vehicle - no Recruit motors will be used for this mission.

  • S65-19774 November 1965
    Four solid rocket motors for the Little Joe launch vehicle are seen during installation in the aftbody of the vehicle.

  • S65-19797 December 1965
    Apollo command module 002 is being transported from the VAB to Launch Complex 36 at White Sands Missile Range for mating with the service module and Little Joe II launch vehicle.

  • S65-19807 May 19, 1965
    Launch of Little Joe II launch vehicle carrying Apollo boilerplate #22 at 6:01 a.m. MST on May 19, 1965, from Launch Complex 36 at White Sands Missile Range. Mission A-003 was the fourth in a series of Apollo launch escape system tests.

  • S65-19819 June 29, 1965
    The second Apollo pad abort test, using Apollo boilerplate #23A, was launched at 6:00 a.m. MST on June 29, 1965, from White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico.

  • S65-19821 June 25, 1965
    The second Apollo pad abort test, using Apollo boilerplate #23A, was launched at 6:00 a.m. MST on June 29, 1965, from White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico.

  • S65-19822 June 25, 1965
    The second Apollo pad abort test, using Apollo boilerplate #23A, was launched at 6:00 a.m. MST on June 29, 1965, from White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico.

  • S65-19825 June 25, 1965
    The second Apollo pad abort test, using Apollo boilerplate #23A, was launched at 6:00 a.m. MST on June 29, 1965, from White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico.

  • S65-19886 May 5, 1965
    Apollo command module boilerplate #22 atop Little Joe II launch vehicle 12-51-2 is awaiting launch from Launch Complex 36 at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. The spacecraft will be launched to an altitude of 112,000 feet above the ground, where the escape subsystem will be fired. The escape motor will carry the spacecraft to a peak altitude of about 175,000 feet, after which it is expected to land about 110 miles uprange.

  • S65-20864 March 25, 1965
    News conference held at the Carriage House press site the day after the successful Gemini-3 mission. Left to right are Dr. Kurt H. Debus, Director, Kennedy Space Center; Christopher C. Kraft, Jr., MSC Assistant Director for Flight Operations; Astronaut Joh W. Young, pilot of Gemini-3; Astronaut Virgil I. Grissom, command pilot; Dr. Robert R. Gilruth, MSC Director; Dr. Robert C. Seamans, Associate Administrator, NASA; and Julian Scheer, Assistant Administrator, Office of Public Affairs, NASA.

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posted 06-30-2008 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris, no I don't want to create an online gallery like Kipp's site. It would be a text only listing of NASA images with brief descriptions of the photo, similar to what Ed has kindly demonstrated above.

But I'm guessing that as there are so many gaps in current listings then the numbers must have assigned to images, its these gaps I'd like to fill in.

Example:

  • S61-00220 Close-up view of Astronaut Alan Shepard in his pressure suit...
    (What are the next 19 images?)
  • S61-00239 Glenn, Grissom and Shepard by Redstone
    (Next 6?)
  • S61-00246 Original Mercury Astronauts with Col. John A. (Shorty) Powers
    (Next 1004?)
  • S61-01250 Mercury astronauts standing beside a Convair 106-B aircraft
I hope this shows my reasoning.

Ed, I received your JSC list, many thanks.

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posted 07-06-2008 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm, I can now see why nobody has bothered doing it.

I think the NASA photography darkrooms must have been BIG and BUSY places!

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posted 07-06-2008 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, Chris, I am at my mums and I have just had a look thru my books and found the photography index you mentioned.

Im working on the NASA S-series images and sadly the index is for Headquarters issued images, bloody typical!

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posted 09-10-2008 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have been busy doing other things but here is a first go at getting some of the JSC images in a list.

I don't think it will ever get completed, but it does demonstrate the scale of the amount of images taken by NASA if you look at the gaps that need filling!

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Wouldn't it be neat if someday the full catalog of these images was online for searching, with a link you could click to view the image in question?

Okay, that's probably dreaming...at least for the time being. But perhaps one could develop some sort of site like Adam suggests where users could add in their own information from NASA photos they have in their collections. If enough users added in information from their collections, one could eventually build a very nice reference database. Plus, instead of putting all of the work on one person's shoulders, it spreads it out among many people. I know I'd be willing to fill in the blanks for photos that I have.

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posted 04-05-2009 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have updated my image index page (and moved it to a new location). It now contains details on 3832 unique NASA S-Series images. Many thanks to Ed H for a large chunk of data

It's a small step (as someone once said), but its a start!

(Additions are welcomed in the form of text [txt] files to my email address above.)

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posted 04-06-2009 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent work, Adam!

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Originally posted by nasamad:
I have updated my image index page (and moved it to a new location).

Any future plans to hyperlink the individual listings in the index to the actual photos?

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The Retro Space Image CDs contain the photo numbers, dates and a hi-res image. What more could you want?

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posted 04-06-2009 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LCDR Scott Schneeweis   Click Here to Email LCDR Scott Schneeweis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The index is online... CDs are not (correct?). The index would be of great utility if it was directly linked to the data.

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posted 04-06-2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe all those images are available online Scott and sadly if they were I just dont have the time to hyperlink them. The webpage is a standard html file so anyone is welcome to copy it and hyperlink if they wish to, the data is for all to share

You can see from the index that there are tens of thousands of images issued every year, or at least, numbers issued to images even if they aren't in the public domain. My 3000+ listings are a very small portion of the numbers that have been assigned.

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posted 04-08-2009 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be nice if we could build some sort of reference library, such as the one I made here as a small test. There are no hi-res photos behind the thumbs, though.

All the hi-res scans are available on the CDs that J.L. has for sale...

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posted 04-08-2009 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are photo captions included on the CDs?

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The scans are grouped by mission, so elaborate captions are not necessary. In many cases J.L. has added details in the filenames, though:
AS11-0029-S67-32612-COLLINS AND RICHARD WRIGHT IN BLDG 37 OF LRL-9.22.67

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quote:
Originally posted by heng44:
The scans are grouped by mission, so elaborate captions are not necessary.
Multiple keyword indexing (beyond mission affiliation) is important to facilitate search of an image based on subject matter content (i.e. inquiry for all pics that show the LM cockpit, or a lunar landing, or prelaunch activities etc).

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Some people are never satisfied. Scanning, cleaning, color-correcting and organizing many thousands of photos is costing us a large amount of our time. We are making available many never-seen-before photos from the depths of the NASA archives (and from other sources unavailable to many). Expecting us to also make a keyword index would seem to be a bit unrealistic...

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posted 04-08-2009 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LCDR Scott Schneeweis   Click Here to Email LCDR Scott Schneeweis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ed...I apologize for not being succinct in my prior entries. They were not intended as an affront or to suggest you haven't gone above/beyond. The comments were a general observation to the cS community collective about what can be done to improve exploitation/information mining of the photographs. Analysis and keyword catagorization of the photo's is a task that might be broken up among volunteers as a collaborative effort. We just need somebody to stand up and host the database. I think it would only further enhance the significant contribution you have already made to preserving Space History.

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posted 04-08-2009 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Scott's post.

My point was just that I am unable to identify the pictures, by mission or who/what's being shown. For example: who's portrayed in S68-55723 (from 1968-3.jpg)? That being said, I like your thumbnails images!

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Sorry Scott, I thought your comments were related to the CD project. I agree that in an ideal world it would be great to have some sort of NASA image-Wikipedia with thumbs, keywords and cross-references. User input would be important, because I often find mistakes in NASA photo captions. But it would be a lot of work to build that sort of thing and until then Adam's listing would be a nice tool.

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Originally posted by cspg:
For example: who's protrayed in S68-55723 (from 1968-3.jpg)?
Flight Director Milt Windler.

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posted 04-09-2009 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
List was upped to over 4000 images last night (I know a few doubles crept in last night and will be getting rid of them asap).

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The pages of 1968 thumbnails have been updated.

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Let's not forget there are Langley photos, McDonnell photos and private contractor photos.

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...not to mention KSC photos and NASA HQ photos. Lots of photos in my collection have 3 ID-numbers on the back: JSC numbers as well as KSC numbers plus also HQ numbers.

Can somebody please build a cross-reference engine?

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I am aware that NASA has all images in the public domain numbered so that they can be easily identified. Can someone please give me a link to all of these images so I can search for the images I want and so find out their numbers?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

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Start from the JSC Digital Image Collection. For Apollo imagery, go to Kipp Teague's Apollo Archive and for shuttle imagery, go to NASA's Human Space Flight gallery.

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