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posted 11-24-2018 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The caption shown with this photo is obviously not correct.
President Nixon congratulates Apollo 11 astronauts through window of the mobile quarantine van located in the hangar deck. 24 July 1969.
What is the correct caption?

I believe it is a photo of the USS Hornet arriving in Hawaii after the Apollo 11 recovery. The command module can be seen on the deck of the Hornet.

UPDATE: photo captions were corrected on Dec. 7

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posted 11-25-2018 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceCadet1983   Click Here to Email SpaceCadet1983     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a picture of the USS Hornet arriving at it's home port of Bremerton, WA. That's aircraft on its deck.

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posted 11-25-2018 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't the command module below deck?

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posted 11-25-2018 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SpaceCadet1983:
That's aircraft on it's deck.
There is also the dome tent structure used by the media to broadcast their signals aft of the island and what looks to be an Apollo capsule on a dolly on the starboard fore deck with sailors lined up around the deck perimeter and three rows in formation by the capsule.

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posted 11-25-2018 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by heng44:
Wasn't the command module below deck?
Photos of the recovery show the Apollo 11 spacecraft lowered on the elevator below deck and the capsule and quarantine trailer connected by a plastic tent (which is thought when Collins wrote the tribute inside the vehicle).

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posted 11-25-2018 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The photo has "HAER No. WA-34-129" in the bottom left corner. The HAER document has this description for photograph WA-34-129:
WA-34-129 Full aerial view showing forward port quarter, entering Pearl Harbor after Apollo 11 recovery. 26 July 1969. (National Archives No. 428-KN-18090)

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posted 11-25-2018 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by heng44:
Wasn't the command module below deck?
Yes, everyone has seen those photos. But it looks like the Apollo 11 command module was on the flight deck and not below deck when the USS Hornet arrived in Pearl Harbor.

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If it is in fact the Apollo 11 command module on the deck, this seems to contravene the second phase quarantine procedures detailed for the Apollo 11 mission, including the 21 day quarantine of crew and spacecraft, time in the Lunar Receiving Laboratory, including the protocols of the spacecraft room of the LRL. detailed as follows:
The spacecraft room contained all equipment required for decontamination of the Command Module. There were also communications and closed circuit television for monitoring and supporting cleanup and decontamination activities.

Personnel from the Crew Reception Area were trained to open the Command Module hatch and remove the double-bag stowed equipment, including lithium hydroxide canisters, fecal bags, food bags, and space suits.

The individual working inside the CM doffed shoe covers upon egress. All persons then reentered the CRA and showered. Thus the likelihood of contaminating the Crew Reception Area and space suit room was minimal.

Formaldehyde decontamination of the Command Module cabin and suit circuit was accomplished without reopening the hatch. Following a minimum 24-hour kill period, the hatch was opened and the cabin exhausted through the room air conditioning system.

The water and waste management systems were also decontaminated with aqueous formaldehyde (formalin) for 24 hours. Spore strips were placed at random locations in the CM to verify decontamination effectiveness.

Perhaps the CM was shrink wrapped while on deck.

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posted 11-25-2018 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photos ha-094, ha-095 and ha-201 in this Navsource gallery also show the Apollo 11 command module on the flight deck.

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posted 11-25-2018 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SpaceCadet1983:
That's a picture of the USS Hornet arriving at it's home port of Bremerton, WA. That's aircraft on its deck.
I doubt that. The area looks way too flat for the shore around Bremerton and carriers usually had their air wings flown off before they entered the Puget Sound.

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posted 11-25-2018 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Compare NavSource Apollo 12 photo ha-601 with NASA Apollo 13 photo S70-35632. Same photo, except one is reversed.

The NASA photo is the correct orientation and mission.

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posted 11-25-2018 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LM-12:
this Navsource gallery also show the Apollo 11 command module on the flight deck.
Good call, you have solved your own question regarding the photo caption and provided some fantastic information.

Details of the planned quarantine procedures can be found in this document.

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posted 11-25-2018 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the overhead view (ha-059) of the Apollo 11 command module and raft, which I believe shows (top to bottom) Aldrin, Collins, Armstrong and UDT swimmer Clancy Hatleberg.

What do you think Aldrin is removing from the command module in photo ha-091?

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posted 11-26-2018 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks to be a McDivitt Purse, as found on this page. Maybe it is this item.

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It looks like the Hornet is passing Hospital Point on its way in to the Navy base at Pearl Harbor. You can see the old hospital in the upper left corner on the point. And the last I checked Bremerton didn't have palm trees.

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posted 11-26-2018 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The same area of the Hornet forward deck can be seen in the second last photo (NS021262). The Apollo 12 command module is not there.

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posted 11-26-2018 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Film footage of the recovery shows that the astronaut seen in photo ha-063 was definitely the last crewman hoisted up to the helicopter.

But wasn't that Aldrin, and not Armstrong?

In photo ha-061, Collins and Aldrin are waving at the camera. Armstrong (back to camera with his left arm raised up) is closest to the Billy Pugh. And film footage seems to show him (Armstrong) going up first.

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posted 11-28-2018 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The USS Hornet recovered both the Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 command modules.

The Hornet has an overall length of 872 feet. So you could place both the AS-506 (Apollo 11) and AS-507 (Apollo 12) launch vehicles end-to-end on the flight deck and have lots of room to spare.

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Maybe it's just me, but I also thought the CM's were stored below deck for the trip back to port. If there is a Command Module on deck in that picture, I really don't see it. But if it's there, my guess is it's the boilerplate used for retrieval exercises. It would make sense to me that the BP be on deck and the CM below deck near the MQF.

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posted 11-30-2018 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is the Apollo 11 command module on the flight deck. Compare the CM side seen in ha-094 to the same area seen in ha-087.

The boilerplate can be seen in ha-034.

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Seconding this, Hornet's Apollo 11 cruisebook clearly shows that what you see on the flight deck is the actual Apollo 11 spacecraft. There was also a big "welcome home" ceremony pierside, to celebrate the astronauts (who, of course, were still inside the MQF) and the ship and crew. Admiral McCain was there, as was Hawaii Gov. Burns. I imagine the spacecraft was up on deck so it would be visible during the celebration.

After the ceremony, the MQF was transported to Hickam AFB and loaded aboard a C-141 for the flight to Houston.

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posted 11-30-2018 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few more interesting photos taken at the time can be seen here.

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I imagine the spacecraft was up on deck so it would be visible during the celebration.
Photo MSFC-6901221 shows the Apollo 11 MQF departing the USS Hornet area. The far dockside crane appears to be lifting an object. The crane might be moving the command module and dolly from the flight deck to the dock (the timing seems right), but the photo resolution is not good enough to say for sure.

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Hornet's Apollo 11 cruise report doesn't go into detail about what happened when the ship arrived at Pearl Harbor, aside from mentioning it in the timeline. It does mention offloading the MQF and the CM, but has no details on any of that.

While it is difficult to make out the details of what's happening in the background, based on the other evidence and the fact that getting the CM offloaded would be a high-priority task, I would believe that is what we're seeing back there.

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Originally posted by oly:
It looks to be a McDivitt Purse
Whatever is in the plastic bag seen in photo ha-063 must be something just as important also.

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posted 12-02-2018 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photo MSFC-6900595 shows the Apollo 11 astronauts exiting the Sea King helicopter in Hangar Bay 2 on the USS Hornet.
Donned in biological isolation garments, the Apollo 11 crew members, (L-R) Edwin Aldrin, Neil Armstrong (waving), and Michael Collins exit the recovery pick up helicopter to board the U.S.S. Hornet aircraft carrier after splashdown.
Notice the face mask canisters. The white labels on the mask canisters are all in slightly different positions. The position of the white label on the canister that Aldrin (at left) is wearing matches the position of the white label on the canister seen in the ha-063 rescue net photo.

This observation, along with the imagery mentioned earlier, indicates to me that ha-063 is a photo of Aldrin, not Armstrong.

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Compare NavSource Apollo 12 photo ha-601 with NASA Apollo 13 photo S70-35632. Same photo, except one is reversed. The NASA photo is the correct orientation and mission.
Compare photos of the Apollo 12 CM after splashdown and before the astronauts were removed from the scene and you can see where the recovery team helped themselves to a lot of the kapton foil on the back end of the spacecraft.

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Also seen in photo MSFC-6900595: William Carpentier is carrying a white bag. Inside the white bag, there is a plastic bag that might be the plastic bag seen in the ha-063 photo.

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posted 12-05-2018 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In image 4 of this slideshow, the Apollo 11 command module can be seen on the flight deck as the USS Hornet arrives at Pearl Harbor. The date is wrong.

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This film details some of the equipment strapped to the deck of the Hornet during the Apollo 11 mission that can be seen in the above photos.

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The USS Hornet would have passed near the USS Arizona Memorial before docking at Pearl Harbor, is that correct?

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I have seen the ha-604 and ha-605 images misidentified elsewhere as the Apollo 11 command module, but they are photos of the Apollo 12 command module, as NavSource indicates.

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HAER photo WA-34-130 on the Library of Congress website has (by mistake) the correct caption for photo WA-34-129.

The correct caption for photo WA-34-130 is:

WA-34-130 Forward and starboard view between Apollo 11 and 12 recoveries, showing final configuration before inactivation. 30 October 1969. (National Archives No. 428-KN-18315).

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posted 12-07-2018 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about that: the captions have just been corrected on the Library of Congress website.

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In addition to one spacecraft and the Sea King helicopters, what other aircraft can be seen on the Hornet flight deck in the first photo?

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I believe the aircraft with the large dome antenna are Grumman E-1 Tracer aircraft and the ones without the antenna and a conventional tail are Grumman s-2 Tracker aircraft (or perhaps C-1 Trader).

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On July 25, the day after splashdown, two aircraft were flown off the USS Hornet. From the mission report:
The first lunar samples to be returned were flown to Johnston Island, placed aboard a C-141 aircraft, and flown to Houston. The second sample shipment was flown from the Hornet directly to Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii, approximately 6-l/2 hours later and placed aboard a range instrumentation aircraft for transfer to Houston.

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The air group embarked aboard Hornet consisted of four E-1B Tracers (the radar planes with the big domes on top) from VAW-111 Detachment 12, eight SH-3D Sea King helicopters from HS-4, three C-1A Traders (cargo planes based on the S-2 Tracker design), and one US-2 Tracker (a former sub-hunting aircraft repurposed as a utility plane).

Two of the C-1s belonged to VR-30 while one of them was Hornet's own COD aircraft. The lunar samples would have been flown to Johnston Island and Hickam aboard C-1s.

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Those aircraft launch times from the USS Hornet were 0515 GMT and 1145 GMT on July 25.

The command module hatch was secured at 0300 GMT on July 26. The Hornet arrived at Pearl Harbor Pier Bravo at 0832 Hawaii time, which is 1832 GMT if my conversion is right.

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Most of the Apollo crews (except Apollo 11 and 12) departed the recovery ship while still at sea. The Skylab and ASTP crews stayed on the recovery ship.


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