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LM-12
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posted 12-14-2018 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a photo of the unmanned AS-202 command module being unloaded from the USS Hornet at the Long Beach Naval Station on August 25,1966.

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posted 12-19-2018 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The white labels on the mask canisters are all in slightly different positions.
  1. compare photo ha-063 and the recovery film footage: photo ha-063 was the last astronaut hoisted up to the helicopter

  2. compare photos ha-063 and MSFC-6900595: photo ha-063 is Aldrin, not Armstrong

  3. compare the recovery film footage and photo MSFC-6900595: Armstrong, Collins and Aldrin were hoisted up to the helicopter in that order
Anyone agree?

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I've been looking through the navsource photos linked from this thread. I've been trying to determine the location where this photo was taken as they were driving to Hickam Field.

The main visual clues are the left hand turn along the waters edge, the dock cranes and building in the background and the hills of what I assume are the hills of the forest reserve in the background. Anyone recognize that building in the background? I have not found any recent photos of the area with that building.

One thing I really love about this photo is the kid running along side the MQF. What a story he had to tell!

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posted 12-20-2018 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The MQF motorcade would have had to make a left turn not long after photo MSFC-6901221 was taken. Maybe that is where photo ha-099 was taken.

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posted 12-20-2018 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jklier   Click Here to Email jklier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that's the photo I was looking at for the starting point. I tried going along the shoreline from that spot all the way around to Hickam in Google Earth but I have not been able to find that spot. Of course, there could have been changes to the roads ands such since then. I need to find some aerial photos from that time.

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posted 12-20-2018 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a circa 1965 aerial photo of the USS Hornet at Pearl Harbor with Hickam Air Force Base in the background.

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The July 27, 1969 Honolulu Star-Bulletin had some good coverage of Hornet's return to Pearl Harbor the previous day. Some odds and ends:

Hornet did pass the Arizona Memorial on the way in and the ship's company rendered a salute.

Commercial aircraft on approach to Honolulu International/Hickam AFB dipped their wings in salute as they flew over. There was also a flyover by military aircraft, ten of which flew in formation to spell out an "11."

Hornet moored at Pier Bravo.

Hawaii Gov. Burns and Admiral McCain (CINCPAC) delivered remarks during the welcome-home ceremony. McCain went to the podium, looked at the astronauts in the MQF, said something kind of salty (to the effect of "you're the darnedest thing I ever saw") then said "Oh...are we on television?"

Mike Collins cracked up the crowd by saying "Sorry we got delivered to you in a box!"

McCain, who loved cigars, presented the crewmembers with a gift-wrapped box each of his favorite cigars.

According to the account, the command module was taken to Ford Island for three days of examination, then flown to Houston.

Several leis were put aboard the C-141 as gifts for the astronauts' wives. A lei was also draped on the door handle to the MQF.

The ride to Hickam Operations was a three-mile route.

The 12-year-old who ran alongside the MQF was Glenn Holman, one of a dozen youngsters who ran alongside the MQF. Most of them faded off but Glenn ran most of the three miles, to the cheers of onlookers - and, once the astronauts saw what he was doing, they waved to him and encouraged him on. He finally accepted a ride from one of the escorting cars once they got to Hickam. Holman was the son of a Navy pilot who was air adviser to the commander of Pacific Fleet submarine forces.

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posted 12-21-2018 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jklier   Click Here to Email jklier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Thanks for the info on the kid running in the photo. That's a great story!

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The Apollo 11 command module can be seen in this photo on the flight deck of the USS Hornet at the Pearl Harbor ceremony. The CM is at right under the cranes.

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posted 07-27-2019 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jklier:
I've been trying to determine the location where this photo was taken as they were driving to Hickam Field.
Here is a similar photo that looks like it was taken a bit later on that same road.

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Nice find! That's definitely down the road a bit. You can see that same building in the far background. So I assume that's base housing on the right.

The only place I see that matches these photos attributes AND is along their assumed route is at

21°20'14.44"N 157°58'4.38"W

...but it's showing as a bike path. I imagine this could have been a road then. I'll have to find some 1960's aerials of the field.

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This home movie, which was recently posted to coincide with the 50th anniversary, shows some scenes of Hornet returning to Pearl Harbor, including several shots of the Command Module and a view or two of the MQF being offloaded. Very interesting viewing.

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That's terrific. Some really nice footage there of the arrival at Pearl Harbor and the command module on the flight deck with the helicopters flying in the background.

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posted 08-04-2019 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a another view of the Apollo 11 command module on the USS Hornet arriving at Pearl Harbor.

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Here are a couple of more photos of the Apollo 11 command module at different locations on the flight deck of the USS Hornet: 1 | 2.

The CM hatch was secured on the Hornet at 0300 GMT on July 26. You can see a seal on the hatch in photo 2.

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This photo shows the hatch being opened again in Houston.
Hirasaki opening the hatch to Columbia inside the CRA of the LRL. Credit: Tiziou News Service

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posted 08-14-2019 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found another photo of the Apollo 11 command module on the Hornet flight deck. Looks like the CM is positioned at helicopter landing target 2 on the deck.

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For reference, Spot 2 was/is on Hornet's forwardmost aircraft elevator (forward end of flight deck, between the catapults). In at least a couple of the pictures I've seen in this thread, it looks like the dolly with CM aboard is being prepared to be craned off the ship.

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Which crane lifted the command module off the Hornet? Photos seem to show a large crane on the pier near the CM, and a larger crane on the port side of the ship. A larger crane on the port side?

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The big crane on the pier most likely hoisted the Command Module from the ship. The crane ran on tracks along the pier and could be moved to whatever position was needed. It could be moved aft to hoist the MQF off the ship, then moved forward to offload the CM from its spot on the forward flight deck. These big cranes are often used to onload/offload aircraft and other equipment from carrier decks and so forth, so it would be a fairly routine thing to do.

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Photo 6901221 linked earlier shows two large cranes facing each other on the pier beside the Hornet. I get that.

What I don't get is the larger crane seen in the photo behind the Hornet island. It looks like you can also see that crane behind the command module in photo 1. Hornet's bow is to the right in photo 1.

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The big gantry crane by the aft elevator would have been the one that offloaded the MQF. This is substantiated by the July 27, 1969 Honolulu Advertiser, which covered Hornet's return to Pearl Harbor pretty extensively.

Given the position of the other gantry crane close to the bow of the ship, that is most likely the crane that offloaded the CM. The Advertiser's coverage has a photo showing the CM about to be hoisted off, and the hook assembly on that crane is the style that would have been on the gantry crane, hence my conclusion.

I am not certain what is going on with the other crane that appears to be on Hornet's port side. It's only seen in passing in the video linked upthread. It wouldn't make sense for a crane on the port side to offload the CM, not when the operator of the pierside gantry crane would have an unobstructed view of where to place the CM on the pier. I could well be wrong, but it makes more sense to me that the other gantry crane offloaded the CM.

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I agree with what you said about the two cranes on the pier. That makes sense.

But that third crane that appears to be on the port side is a bit of a head-scratcher. Why would a third crane be needed? And it is a very large crane. I'm beginning to think that maybe it was not on the Hornet deck, but on some type of floating barge on the port side of the ship.

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This image shows the MQF being lowered by crane on to the mobile transporter/loader. while this image looks to have been taken later, with the crane in the background.

This image looks to have been taken between the first two.

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That third crane can also be seen in the photo mentioned back on 07-25-2019. Look at the cab: that is a big crane. Was a crane that big on the Hornet?

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Hornet didn't have a crane that large. I'm thinking that could be a crane barge on the other side of the ship.

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I believe that is one of the large waterfront cranes seen in the images posted previously.

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I'm thinking that could be a crane barge on the other side of the ship.

Yes, my line of thinking also.

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This appears be a photo of the Apollo 12 command module on the dockside elevator of the USS Hornet.

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Here are two more photos (1 | 2) that show the Apollo 11 command module on the flight deck as the USS Hornet arrived at Pearl Harbor. That might be a crane barge at bottom right in photo 2.

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You can see a seal on the hatch in photo 2.
Photo S69-60809 shows a seal on the hatch of the Apollo 12 command module outside the Lunar Receiving Lab. It looks like there is a red biological hazard symbol on the seal.

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Here is another overhead view of the USS Hornet arriving at Pearl Harbor with the Apollo 11 command module on the forward deck.

The photo is one of many very interesting recovery photos found on this website.

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That must be Navy swimmer Clancy Hatleberg in photo 52070005 wiping down the raft, with crap (betadine?) all over his mask. He appears to be wearing an Apollo 11 patch on his biological isolation garment.

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Looks like a Navy issue carwash mitten.


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