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Topic: Apollo 13: Closeout crew and CM configuration
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Andy Anderson Member Posts: 108 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Dec 2009
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posted 03-01-2014 08:19 AM
I was wondering who were responsible for configuring the command module control panels pre-launch for Apollo 13? For some reason, I thought this task for the Apollo launches was normally performed by the backup command module pilot (CMP) and the backup lunar module pilot (LMP). Apart from John Young, Charlie Duke was down with the measles in Houston and Jack Swigert was the prime CMP. TK Mattingly was in the MOCR for the launch, so he was not involved. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2486 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 03-01-2014 09:50 AM
Wasn't this usually done by the back-up crew? |
Andy Anderson Member Posts: 108 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Dec 2009
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posted 03-01-2014 09:53 AM
That's what I believe as per my first post. In this case the backup crew (apart from John Young) were not available. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2486 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 03-01-2014 10:22 AM
OK - maybe the support crew then. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 48528 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-01-2014 10:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Andy Anderson: Apart from John Young...
Though it doesn't answer your question, just to account for Young's whereabouts, he was in Mission Control with Mattingly. Per NASA PAO's pre-launch commentary: ...Ken will be assisting at the CAPCOM console and he's joined astronaut John Young and astronaut Joe Kerwin on the CAPCOM console. |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1681 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 03-01-2014 03:53 PM
Duke wasn't "sidelined" by German measles any more than Mattingly. It was just that both were susceptible to coming down with the disease after having been exposed. To my knowledge neither ever did. At some point in the program participation in the close-out crew role shifted from members of the backup crew to the support crew. I believe it was Duke on Apollo 13; backup crew members Ron Evans and Joe Engle did it for Apollo 14, and on Apollo 15 is was either Karl Henize or Gordon Fullerton, I can't remember which one, both support crew members. The only other possibilities for Apollo 13 were support crew members Vance Brand and Jack Lousma, but support crew wasn't performing that function at that time, and I don't recall ever seeing anything about Brand or Lousma in the White Room. |
Tom Member Posts: 1644 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-01-2014 04:57 PM
For the launch phase of "15", Gordon Fullerton was the CAPCOM in Houston. |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1681 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 03-01-2014 08:42 PM
Then I'm pretty sure Karl Henize was the astronaut support crewman for the Apollo 15 launch. And the first support crew member to have that duty. I think it was Fullerton on Apollo 16 and Bob Overmyer on Apollo 17. |
David C Member Posts: 1344 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 03-02-2014 12:53 AM
I haven't looked at this recently, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't a pilot-astronaut setting up the switches in the cockpit. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2486 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 03-02-2014 03:16 AM
The support crew for '13' were Brand, Lousma and Kerwin so in the absence of the back-up crew it was probably one (or more) of them that performed the close-out checks. |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1681 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 03-02-2014 08:28 AM
Kerwin was first shift capcom in Houston so it couldn't have been him. Even T-38s don't fly that fast... |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1681 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 03-02-2014 08:41 AM
Here we go. The individual Fred Haise is talking to on the right in this photo looks like Vance Brand. |
Tom Member Posts: 1644 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-02-2014 10:56 AM
Very good... a picture is worth a thousand words. Also, if I recall correctly, Fullerton was the ascent CAPCOM for "16" and Overmyer had the same role on "17".
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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 48528 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-02-2014 10:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Delta7: The individual Fred Haise is talking to on the right in this photo looks like Vance Brand.
I don't know if it matters at all to this discussion, but that photo was taken during the countdown demonstration test, while Mattingly was still part of the prime crew. |
Delta7 Member Posts: 1681 From: Bluffton IN USA Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 03-02-2014 11:16 AM
It's a bit of a stretch, but the guy all the way in back of the photo nearest the CM hatch COULD be Charlie Duke... |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 48528 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-02-2014 11:23 AM
The tech in the back is wearing an NAA Rockwell coverall, rather than NASA, suggesting it is not Duke. |
Andy Anderson Member Posts: 108 From: Perth, Australia Registered: Dec 2009
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posted 03-02-2014 11:12 PM
Maybe I can answer my own question. (I was away at work when I posted it.)Looking through my books after I got back home this morning, I found this in "Smoke Jumper, Moon Pilot," a biography of Stu Roosa by W.G. Moseley. Vance Brand was a CapCom during the Apollo 13 mission, and recalled "I had been at the Cape to help strap the crew in on launch day. I got into the CapCom rotation after I got back to Houston." Also, in regard to Charlie Duke and measles - quote: Originally posted by Delta7: Duke wasn't "sidelined" by German measles any more than Mattingly. It was just that both were susceptible to coming down with the disease after having been exposed. To my knowledge neither ever did.
While searching through my books, I found this from Charlie Duke's autobiography, "Moonwalker": At the very last moment a week before launch, when the docs discovered I had caught the measles and had exposed them to the crew... When Apollo 13 launched on April 11, 1970, I was still at home sick and watched the launch on TV with the family. However, as Delta7 states, Charlie was not "sidelined" and turned up to help out. |
robsouth Member Posts: 769 From: West Midlands, UK Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 03-18-2014 07:49 PM
Was Jack Swigert the only astronaut from the MGA era to launch without a backup? |
Rob Bailey New Member Posts: 4 From: Corpus Christi TX, USA Registered: Feb 2019
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posted 06-14-2022 09:30 PM
According to the PAO transcript, Vance Brand was the one who prepared the CM for Apollo 13. Tony England did so for Apollo 16. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3467 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 06-15-2022 09:33 AM
This was an issue I investigated for "A Long Voyage to the Moon." I had assumed that Ron Evans, as back-up CMP on Apollo 14, was the astronaut who did the pre-launch cockpit checks. But Ron was at the pre-flight breakfast with the prime crew, and he was with his wife and a group of former Navy squadron-mates for the launch. From memory, the pre-launch checks took at least 2 hours and there wouldn't have been time for Ron to do all three of those things. It must have been a member of the support crew who did the checks on Apollo 14, and this was also what happened on several other Apollo missions.When I interviewed Fred Haise for the book, he mentioned that he had done the CM pre-flight checks on both Apollo 8 and Apollo 11 and had therefore missed the pre-flight breakfast on each of those missions. |