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posted 05-26-2015 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The original NASA description on the back of AS15-82-11168 incorrectly described the image as a photo of Jim Irwin:
AS15-82-11168 (2 Aug. 1971) --- Astronaut James B. Irwin, lunar module pilot, walks away from the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) during the third Apollo 15 lunar surface extravehicular activity (EVA) at the Hadley-Apennine landing site. The LRV is parked a short distance from the rim of Hadley Rille. The far wall of the rille is in the distance at extreme upper left. Irwin is holding the 500mm Hasselblad camera in his left hand. This photograph was taken by astronaut David R. Scott, commander. While astronauts Scott and Irwin descended in the Lunar Module (LM) to explore the moon, astronaut Alfred M. Worden, command module pilot, remained with the Command and Service Module (CSM) in lunar orbit.

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Originally posted by LM-12:
The original NASA description on the back of AS15-82-11168 incorrectly described the image as a photo of Jim Irwin.
Funny you should say that. Back in 1972, I bought that slide from the JSC bookstore and had it made into a 3 1/2"x5" photo, which I sent to Irwin to sign. It wasn't until the mid 90's that I realized it was Scott in the photo and not Irwin. To be fair, it's really hard to see the stripes with the sun angle and the dirt on what was once Scott's "WSS". The only stripes that do show are the ones on the knees. Even they're hard to see on a bad print like the one I have.

One day, I'll buy an 8"x10" of that signed by Scott and put it in a frame with the Irwin signed photo.

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posted 05-26-2015 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Irwin mentioned the error when he signed my photo. Interesting to have his signature on a photo that shows the scene from his perspective.

The helmet stripe is more easlily seen in high-res photos that are available today.

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posted 05-26-2015 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you hover over the linked photo, it still says Astronaut James B. Irwin.

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posted 05-27-2015 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the original NASA photo description, I guess they didn't notice that the Sample Collection Bag (SCB) is seen on the left side of the PLSS, indicating it is the CDR in the photo.

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posted 11-25-2015 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't recall ever seeing this Apollo 10 image before. It is frame number 5289a on Magazine 35. It is the last frame on the magazine. Looks like John Young.

Apollo 10 Magazine 35 is among several 70mm magazines recently added to the March to the Moon Apollo gallery. I have not seen frame 5289a in any other Magazine 35 gallery.

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Blurred but that is John Young.

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posted 11-26-2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The calibration chart photo for Magazine 13 gives away its location. The chart is dated 12-18-68, and outside the window is a view of the KSC Headquarters Building from the Manned Spacecraft Operations Building.

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posted 04-20-2016 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This frame is one of 24 similar frames seen at the end of Apollo 10 Magazine 35 in the "March to the Moon" gallery. It looks like the cockpit of a T-38 aircraft in flight. Those gages are moving.

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posted 08-30-2016 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Magazine 126 was used for Gegenschein photography and to image the Gum nebula.
Buried in Apollo 16 Magazine 126 are two in-cabin 35mm photos described as "inside cabin H2O droplet" images. They are frames 19956 and 19957. I don't suppose too many people have seen those photos.

Also, report #2 upthread mentions an Apollo 14 16mm Magazine J containing calibration, gegenschein, zodiacal light, lunar libration and S-IVB footage.

16mm Magazine J is NOT listed in the Apollo 14 Photography Index, which lists DAC (16mm) Magazines A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, X, AA, BB, CC, EE and GG.

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posted 08-31-2016 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding Magazine 103: there is a major frame gap between Magazine 102 and Magazine 104. The last frame on Magazine 102 is 13651. The first frame on Magazine 104 is 17001.

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posted 10-01-2016 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see that the National Archives has more than 2500 ASTP photos in their catalog. Most are Earth images, but here are a few you may not have seen before:

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posted 10-02-2016 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Photographs of the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project from the National Archives.

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Nice to see those ASTP photos! The one of the DM in the S-IVB answers a question I had about the SLA panels on that mission. They did detach like on the Saturn V flights with Lunar Modules. Most Saturn 1B flights they did not detach!

I figured they had to for the safety of the CSM during trans-position and docking.

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posted 10-03-2016 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking through the catalog, I still do not see any photos of either Leonov or Kubasov in the command module. Odd, considering the time they spent in there.

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posted 10-05-2016 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The catalog has these Magazine 32 photos:
  • AST-32-2675 CSM
  • AST-32-2685 CSM
  • AST-32-2686 CSM
  • AST-32-2691 CSM
  • AST-32-2693 CSM
  • AST-32-2695 CSM
  • AST-32-2806 crew
Has anyone seen any other Mag 32 photos?

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Most Saturn 1B flights they did not detach

I assume that includes the Skylab 2 S-IVB because I have never seen a photo of it in orbit. Did the Conrad crew take any pictures of it?

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Originally posted by LM-12:
I assume that includes the Skylab 2 S-IVB because I have never seen a photo of it in orbit.
SL3 did: SL3-114-1625.

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The Skylab 3 crew took 26 photos of the S-IVB, and the Skylab 4 crew took 4 photos of the S-IVB that I am aware of.

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Blurred but that is John Young.
End-of-roll frame AS15-85-11530 is another March to the Moon photo that is not seen in other Magazine 85 galleries. The first photo in Magazine 86 is a different image with the same "11530" frame number.

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posted 11-02-2016 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The docking times entered on this ASTP certificate signed in orbit by both crews are 12 hours 09 minutes Washington time and 19 hours 09 minutes Moscow time, on July 17, 1975.

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posted 11-06-2016 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is Ken Mattingly in frame 20192 from Apollo 16 Magazine 132.

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Apollo 14 Magazine 79 and Magazine 80 were taken with the Hycon Lunar Topographic Camera. The Hycon was mounted in the CM hatch window and was stored under the commander's couch.

The Hycon could show objects as small as 15-25 feet from a 60 nm altitude. The camera malfunctioned on REV 4 after the 207th frame.

Mag 80 frames 10456 and 10500 are the only high-res Hycon images I have seen.

There was a Hycon camera on Apollo 13, but it was not used.

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The magazine is reproduced in one of the photographic summaries but the only available one is of poor quality.

Several reports reproduce a few of the images in better quality than the ones shown in the above report.

I have four scans of magazine W images kindly sent to me by the Pacific Regional Planetary Data Center in Hawaii (their stamp is on the front of the Photo Index!). They discovered that they did have the original document as well as original photos but don't have the resources to scan them all properly.

The ones you mention there are new to me so I'll add them to my Magazine W collection!

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The National Archives also has all the Apollo 16 Magazine 123 black and white images taken with the Far Ultraviolet Camera/Spectroscope on the lunar surface.

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Magazine 80 is described as a "stereo strip of Theophilus and Descartes" in the photo index.

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posted 11-12-2016 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I have seen so far, the National Archives seems to be the only online location that currently has these Apollo film magazines in high-resolution:
  • AS10-28
  • AS10-29
  • AS10-30
  • AS10-31
  • AS10-32
  • AS10-33
  • AS16-104
  • AS16-123
  • AS16-124
  • AS16-125
  • AS16-131
  • AS16-132
  • AS17-154
  • AS17-155

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Skylab 4 photo SL4-71-283 is a rather detailed view of the Cape Canaveral area taken with the S190A Multispectral Photographic Camera.

You can see the Skylab 4 rescue vehicle (SA-209/CSM-119) at Pad 39B. It was at the pad on the photo date indicated: January 22, 1974.

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Here is a photo of Skylab 4 PLT William Pogue suiting up in the OWS. I believe it is from Magazine 149. I have not seen this photo in any image gallery.

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Do you have a pdf of the photo index for SL2 and SL4? You sent me SL-3 before...

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Okay Ed. The NTRS has them.

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Excellent, thanks!

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The Skylab 2 magazine and frame numbering is somewhat confusing. Regarding the 70mm and 35mm photo numbers, I note these oddities:
  • the lowest frame number I could find is SL2-1-100. The frame numbers SL2-1-100 through SL2-106-1201 seem to be in sequence, and are a mix of 70mm and 35mm images. Maybe "100" is a typo and should be 001.

  • the mag numbers jump from SL2-9 to SL2-100, even though the frame numbers are in sequence.

  • some photo numbers have an "X" designation, like SL2-X4-256, which is SL2-4-256 in the index.

    Perhaps the "X" designation is being used to not confuse 70mm or 35mm mags (like SL2-4) with Multispectral Camera mags (like SL2-04).

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I see the three footholds but no spacesuits in photo S73-27730. Where were the suits stowed?

The description for photo SL3-110-1418 is "view of suit stowed under ATM foot restraint" in the Multiple Docking Adapter. Where were the other two spacesuit stowage locations on Skylab?

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It seems you are right.

I like your thorough way of looking at things. You often mention details I missed myself.

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So all three suits were stowed in the MDA. Great shots. The docking drogue can be seen behind the suit in frame 1416.

Other suit stowage photos:

  • SL2-2-140
  • SL2-2-141
  • SL2-2-143
  • SL2-2-144
Other suiting-up photos:
  • SL3-112-1571
  • SL3-112-1572
  • SL3-112-1573
  • SL3-112-1574
  • SL3-112-1575
  • SL3-112-1576
  • SL3-112-1577
The third crewman was in the MDA (between the CM and the airlock) wearing a soft-suit during the EVAs.

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From the Skylab Flight Plan dated May 1972:
Following rendezvous and docking, the PGAs will be dried and then placed inside PGA bags. The bags with PGAs will be stowed in the CM on orbit to minimize crew handling in the event of a fire in the OWS and subsequent emergency crew transfer into the CM. Before EVA, the crew will retrieve the PGA bags from the CM and transfer the bags to the OWS suit donning station. PGAs will be removed from the bags and donned for EVA. Following EVA, the PGAs will again be dried, placed inside the PGA bags, and stowed in the CM.
The stowage location was later changed apparently, based on the photos.

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From the Skylab 2 transcripts, it sounds like the three spacesuits were transferred from the CM when the crew first entered the MDA:
CDR: And we're on our way to the MDA. I wish I had a Polaroid picture to send down to you guys from the inside of this command module with three suits, all that gear, a drogue, a probe, and a hatch, Joe, Paul, and Pete.
The transcipt indicates that was on Day 146, which was Flight Day 2 (May 26) according to this date conversion chart.

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The Skylab 2 planned timeline has this related task for the CDR and SPT during the OWS activation period:
CONFIGURE/ACTIVATE SUIT DRYING STATION, XFER SUITS, GEAR

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Note these Magazine SL3-114 frame number descriptions from the Skylab 3 photographic index:
  • 1763 - splashdown from inside command module
  • 1764 - splashdown from inside command module
  • 1765 - splashdown from inside command module
  • 1766 - in water, dye marker
  • 1767 - in water, chutes, dyes, water
  • END OF ROLL


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