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Topic: 302933958507: Apollo 8 flown checklist page
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Chuckster01
Member Posts: 873
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 10-26-2018 09:46 AM
   
I see this Apollo 8 flown checklist page on eBay and have no issue with Frank Borman's signature on it.As I have several flown pages, all of my pages show my page (the one I received) on the COA and not a different page as this one does. Also If you are going to pay Frank Borman to sign your page why not sign "flown to the moon" or add some better inscription as provenance? I do know astronauts will sign most items presented at a show for signing but will only sign as flown if they are sure it was flown. So please tell me what you think? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-26-2018 09:58 AM
Some astronauts will not certify an item as flown unless it originated from their collection. The checklist book in question was sold by Jim Lovell at Heritage in 2008.That Borman signed it all may be an indication that he believed it to be flown. From Astronaut Central: None of the astronauts we have had so far will sign flown items from a third party, not even crewmates. Signing implies endorsement and authentication. Unless it's from the astronaut's own PPK (personal preference kit), they are reluctant to sign. Call or write first. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 873
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 10-26-2018 11:48 AM
Robert, I respectfully must disagree. Signing by an astronaut in no way implies flown on any item especially a random checklist page that may have never been used in the program or possibly only for training and he did not certified as flown. I am very sure he would have signed a checklist even if possibly training used with no documentation as he did since it in no way implied a provenance. Also there is the issue of the page shown on the COA (not the signed cover page) not matching the page being sold. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-26-2018 12:36 PM
I was pointing out Astronaut Central's policies based on their experiences with the astronauts. You would need to contact them to see if Borman would have (or did) agree to sign items that could be confused as flown but were not. |
NovaRob
Member Posts: 242
From: Tucson, Arizona, USA
Registered: Nov 2008
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posted 10-26-2018 08:47 PM
In this case, Borman was willing to sign this page just as a page, but would not inscribe/endorse/certify/authenticate it as flown, since he could not testify to its provenance, even with SpaceFlori's COA. He meant for his signature in this case to not implying anything one way or the other about the page's flown status.We have had other astronauts who have refused to even just sign a flown item, because they were concerned that it might imply that they agreed that it was flown. Joe Engle is one. And sometimes, it happens on a case-by-case basis, that may change over time. You might want to contact the seller or SpaceFlori about the COAs. I think the COA that shows just a single page matches the item being offered (based on the notch/cutout at the bottom of one edge and the "E27" marking on the opposite edge). You should verify with the seller or SpaceFlori, but I think the other COA is included only to certify the book that the offered page came from, not the actual page (that is certified on the other COA). You will need to rely on the COAs for authentication of the page's flown status. |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 109
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 10-27-2018 03:28 PM
If it came from Florian it's good, don't you worry about that. The problem here is that the current seller is trying to rip us off, he is going for a huge profit on a single autograph.The autograph would have cost $285 at Borman's latest signing with extra words and photo ID. He whacks it on eBay for $3275. Similar items are available online for $1200 to $1400 unsigned. Do the math and he's charging $1875 for an autograph he purchased last month for $285 = $1590.00. And now he s trying to flog it off as a Christmas card, I wouldn't buy it. Rant over. |
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