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Topic: 263253998106: Apollo 11 Beta cloth patches
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Ronpur
Member Posts: 1211
From: Brandon, Fl
Registered: May 2012
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posted 10-09-2017 10:36 AM
   
Does any one know why there are suddenly all of these Apollo 11 Beta cloth patches in "original" Owens Corning/Roma Chemicals envelopes on eBay? When were they made? Are they even real? There have been a lot of them going up for sale in the last few months. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 10-09-2017 03:00 PM
As I understand it one or more cartons of them were found at an old Roma Chemical site. Some were damaged by exposure to damp etc but many were in good condition.I don't know how many were recovered but it's certainly dozens and could be hundreds. The market for Apollo 11 beta cloths is going to be flooded for some time to come so $50 to $75 is probably the going rate now. |
Ronpur
Member Posts: 1211
From: Brandon, Fl
Registered: May 2012
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posted 10-09-2017 08:36 PM
I picked up two at great prices. One to open and one to keep in the envelope. The actual beta cloths are in great condition. |
Aztecdoug
Member Posts: 1405
From: Huntington Beach
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 10-13-2017 02:59 PM
I picked some up too. They are in great shape. There is also a slight smell that reminds me of my grandma's attic! |
Sam Que
Member Posts: 180
From: Chicago, IL, United States
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 10-17-2017 04:59 PM
I too was wondering why the sudden influx of Apollo 11 beta cloth patches. Bought one from a cS poster here a few months ago. Now I see I can buy five on eBay for about forty dollars more than what I paid for one. By no means am I complaining, the one I received from the cS member is very nice and a smooth transaction. As an attorney, I don’t need to be reminded of caveat emptor. |
woodg2
Member Posts: 133
From: Madison AL
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted 10-17-2017 10:42 PM
Is anyone that bought in bulk interested in selling off one of them? I really don’t need five of them, but have not seen a single one sell for anywhere close to $40 each. I hate to pay triple digit prices for a patch that I know is selling at such a low cost in bulk. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 596
From: Lansing, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-19-2017 11:39 AM
I too would be interested. In all of the variations of A-11 I've collected, I have yet to add any beta cloth patches!Or, to go the other way, if I was to buy a lot, how many folks would be interested in the extras? I wouldn't need/want five either... |
prowler5150
New Member Posts: 9
From:
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 10-19-2017 04:41 PM
I would be in for two. |
denali414
Member Posts: 593
From: Raleigh, NC
Registered: Aug 2017
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posted 10-19-2017 04:56 PM
I would also take one... |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 10-19-2017 07:14 PM
Count me in for one. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 596
From: Lansing, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-19-2017 07:39 PM
Just ordered a lot of 5... |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 10-19-2017 11:43 PM
If you have an extra I will take one. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 596
From: Lansing, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-22-2017 05:41 PM
Two things. First, I plan to keep two. So I'll only sell three. And I've had two people email me directly for two of those confirming they want one. So I have one left to sell. I've not decided on a price yet, but rest assured that it won't be much more than to cover my costs since this is for fellow cS'ers! Second, if you want to take a chance on eBay, I just found this: 322841117922. Current bid is like $37, with a buy it now price of $90. Or, 142536235082, with a best offer price of $165. Your choice. |
Lunar rock nut
Member Posts: 911
From: Oklahoma city, Oklahoma U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 10-23-2017 05:45 AM
Thinking about stepping up here. After Gonzo receives a commitment for his last patch. I am thinking about purchasing one of the remaining lots. I will keep two also, and if I get three commits, I will buy one lot.Note 27 hours left before auction closing. |
328KF
Member Posts: 1234
From:
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 10-23-2017 11:03 AM
I'll be happy to buy one of these. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 596
From: Lansing, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-23-2017 11:42 AM
My third is still available. I’ve not received a commitment for it yet. They are due to be delivered today. If you want it, email me please. |
Gonzo
Member Posts: 596
From: Lansing, MI, USA
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 10-23-2017 11:57 AM
The third had been sold... |
328KF
Member Posts: 1234
From:
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 10-24-2017 04:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lunar rock nut:
Thinking about stepping up here.
Any luck with this? I saw one lot of five at $199.99 ended and the price raised to $299.99 by eBay user "themoonthestars." I think somebody read about the plan here. |
joe2636
Member Posts: 13
From: UK
Registered: Dec 2017
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posted 01-01-2018 04:56 PM
I've recently seen a Beta cloth Apollo 11 patch supposedly from the original company still sealed in the packet. I'm not sure, are these as they would have been made during the mission on real Beta cloth? Hope you can shed some light on the matter. I've took a look on crewpatches.com to try to see, but it's like most things I've learned, there's a lot of reproductions and rubbish that has been passed off as original. Editor's note: Threads merged. |
denali414
Member Posts: 593
From: Raleigh, NC
Registered: Aug 2017
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posted 01-24-2019 02:01 PM
The Roma Apollo 11 beta cloths are back on eBay again, three for $50 this time around. Guess still more supply out there. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 01-25-2019 03:12 AM
It's still the same seller working through the same stock. Over 500 sold now and the going rate is down around $20 per patch for lots of 3, sometimes less. |
Chuckster01
Member Posts: 873
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 01-25-2019 05:41 AM
It is amazing how one person can find a stockpile of collectibles and drive the price down to almost nothing on an item that was once fairly rare.I remember paying almost $100 for a single Apollo 11 Beta and thinking I got a deal. Ahh good times. Tom Foley's stockpile of event covers had the same effect on collectible covers I am sure there are other examples. |
Lunar rock nut
Member Posts: 911
From: Oklahoma city, Oklahoma U.S.A.
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 01-25-2019 07:38 AM
When you read this seller's description it states the condition is graded as "B". You most likely will get patches that are moisture stained or tattered somehow. Hence the big discount. |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 109
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 01-25-2019 12:57 PM
I just bought one for $20, it was graded B as has been mentioned. I will have it in a few days.I'll let you all know if it's any good or not.
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Ianhetho
Member Posts: 109
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 02-12-2019 01:51 AM
Mine turned up today.The cloth and print are pristine as far as I can tell. The envelope and clear plastic window are a bit tired but hey for 20 bucks it's a good buy. |
streetsnake
Member Posts: 180
From: Ohio
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 03-07-2019 09:30 PM
Has anyone bought one of these lately? As I understand it, a large quantity of these were found and have hit the market. I purchased one and just received it. Mine looks a bit "off." Just curious on others' thoughts.Editor's note: Threads merged. |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 109
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 03-07-2019 10:48 PM
Mine looks fine. How do you mean by "off"?As mentioned earlier the description states the condition of some as fair. My cloth looks great but the sleeve is a bit tired. |
Ken Havekotte
Member Posts: 2914
From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-08-2019 09:42 AM
I've had/got about 150 of the original envelope-packaged Owens Corning and Roma Chemicals Apollo 11 Beta fabric panels (just saw this topic), and did let go about 45+ of them throughout the last few years. I did charge more for them a while back, but nowadays with so many of them on the market, I've got some of them at $35 postpaid within the USA. |
streetsnake
Member Posts: 180
From: Ohio
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 03-08-2019 09:59 AM
Attached below is a pic of the one I just received. This one will be discarded. I'm not aware of counterfeits, correct? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-08-2019 10:13 AM
Why would you discard it? I have seen Beta cloth patches in far worse condition that have been treasured parts of personal collections. |
streetsnake
Member Posts: 180
From: Ohio
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 03-08-2019 11:17 AM
My main concern is counterfieit pieces. I do not want to support this, just in case it is? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-08-2019 11:52 AM
Did it come sealed in a Roma Chemicals envelope? What makes you think it is counterfeit? |
streetsnake
Member Posts: 180
From: Ohio
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 03-08-2019 11:56 AM
No not sealed but from the same seller as the other ones on eBay. Maybe he is inspecting them and selling the "others" as singles? |
hbw60
Member Posts: 48
From:
Registered: Aug 2018
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posted 03-08-2019 06:26 PM
I think you can be sure that it's authentic. I purchased several of these patches from the seller last year, and we talked a bit about them. When he obtained the case, he found that some of the envelopes had water damage, but that the patches inside were mostly OK. So he opened all of the water-damaged patches, discarded the envelopes, and sold the patches alone. It looks to me like your patch was stuck to the plastic film of the envelope, removing a bit of the ink on removal. So the condition isn't as perfect, but it's still authentic.There's actually a lot of variation in these patches, even in mint condition. The colors were printed separately, so slight variations occur. I own about 20 of these, and every one is slightly different from the rest, based on shifts in the printing position. Some have bolder outlines, mis-alignments, etc. As far as I know, there haven't been any forgeries of any Beta Cloth patches. |
spacehiker
Member Posts: 386
From: London, UK
Registered: Aug 2009
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posted 03-20-2019 04:59 PM
I purchased 12 of these in the envelopes and whilst some of the envelopes were slightly battered the patches all appear to be in excellent condition aside from some of the staples being rusty. For $16 each a patch these are amazing value and well worth putting aside for a few years until values recover. |
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