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Michael1976
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posted 05-15-2014 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael1976   Click Here to Email Michael1976     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This might be the worst one evah!! Neil Armstrong Autographed Photograph
This is an autographed photograph of Neil Armstrong. This is NOT a reprint. The photograph is in great condition. This item does NOT come with a COA. It is, however, a genuine autograph to the best of my knowledge.

MarylandSpace
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posted 05-15-2014 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It come from the seller called "Magickallycrafted"

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-15-2014 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"... to the best of my knowledge"???

If you've got the hide to ask for $800, you'd imagine the seller might have done a little homework before establishing the price.

rgarner
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posted 05-15-2014 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow... I've seen some crackers in my time but this tops the list.

capoetc
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posted 05-15-2014 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, it passes the flag test, so it must be good...

Panther494
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posted 05-15-2014 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I guess it doesn't say 'WHO' autographed it.

Shocking, hope no one gets hooked.

jtheoret
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posted 05-15-2014 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jtheoret   Click Here to Email jtheoret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the price mysteriously dropped $200!

onesmallstep
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posted 05-15-2014 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm. That's not Armstrong's signature; it's Neil Young's, the singer/songwriter Seriously, I think someone is too desperate or is hoping nobody ever checked a legit example in Armstrong's hand.

fredtrav
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posted 05-15-2014 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I offered him a buck and a quarter, lets see if he goes for that.

kosmo
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posted 05-15-2014 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The listing ended, you must have won it!!

fredtrav
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posted 05-15-2014 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No he declined my generous offer. I guess he must have pulled it because it was pointed out that is was fake I imagine several times, or someone offered him more offline.

rgarner
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posted 05-15-2014 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I reported it to eBay as a fake. That may be why it was taken down.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 05-15-2014 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rgarner:
I reported it to eBay as a fake. That may be why it was taken down.
Regrettably, that is not the case. When the auction is still viewable and listed as "no longer available," that means the seller took action to end it voluntarily.

If it was removed by eBay, you will get a page that says it no longer exists and a list of similar items. The original auction is completely gone and not viewable when eBay removes an auction.

The reality of the matter is that reporting auctions through the standard online reporting tool does nothing. It never has. I hate to say it, but you are completely wasting your time by reporting fake autographs through the standard tool. Reporting copyright infringement is about the only thing that will get action through that tool.

Dirk
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posted 05-15-2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is another way but a rather expensive. I did it once with a fake signature of Wernher von Braun. Bought it and reported then to eBay the seller sold me a forgery. He was banned from eBay and I was refunded...

fredtrav
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posted 05-15-2014 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have reported several items as fake/forgery through their tool and on occasion I have seen them removed. I don't know if this was because they were reported or other reasons, but they were taken down and you were not able to see them, unlike this case. I figured this time rather than reporting it, or letting the seller know it was fake (it appears he already knew that as he said don't tell me its fake in the listing unless you could prove it). I would just make a ridiculous offer, though still too high even at $1.25, but hey it was free shipping.

Maybe someone from here pointed him to real Armstrong examples and he took it down after he saw them.

moonnut
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posted 05-15-2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonnut   Click Here to Email moonnut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I message eBayers with blatant forgeries about their items, I do it respectfully, in case they just don't know better. Most will be bummed and just voluntarily take the ad down. Some will tell me to mind my own business and to prove it to them.

I had one person send me several derogatory messages after I kindly informed them about the autograph. I ended up calling eBay and reporting they were selling forgeries. Yes, more than one.

They said they could only take his ad down but not kick him off the site unless there was several phone call complaints. So I looked through his feedback and messaged every person that gave him a negative and told them to call eBay and complain. Many messaged back and said they definitely would. Bit extreme, but effective.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 05-15-2014 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dirk:
There is another way but a rather expensive. I did it once with a fake signature of Wernher von Braun. Bought it and reported then to eBay the seller sold me a forgery. He was banned from eBay and I was refunded...

If you do a PSA Quick Opinion and it fails, eBay will remove the item.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 05-15-2014 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fredtrav:
I have reported several items as fake/forgery through their tool and on occasion I have seen them removed. I don't know if this was because they were reported or other reasons, but they were taken down and you were not able to see them, unlike this case.

eBay used to have a program for autographs called Enhanced Member Reporting (EMR). EMRs were knowledgable collector and dealer volunteers who eBay granted "enhanced" reporting abilities. If an EMR reported an item, it was usually removed promptly. If something was removed, it was probably because it was also reported by an EMR.

On April 1, 2014, without explanation, eBay removed reporting capabilities for all autograph EMRs. eBay further announced it would only use EMR reporting going forward for high ticket counterfeit items such as jewelry.

So if you think you have seen more fakes lately on eBay, it's because you have. EMRs were a limited number of volunteers and could not get everything, but they were responsible for removing thousands of fakes a month across many collecting fields. Now, almost nothing gets removed... even grossly malformed, obvious fakes.

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-16-2014 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I contacted the seller and (amazingly) the item sold.

I was also advised I "didn't know what I was talking about" and that a reputable authority gave this item the thumbs up.

I pointed the seller to this thread... for all the good that will do. The final sentence in her message suggested I shouldn't send "slanderous emails thru the eBay system". Some people...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-16-2014 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be clear from the start, the seller is at fault.

That said, if it really did sell (as the seller claims) then the buyer got what he or she deserved. If you (a) cannot discern that the autograph being offered is a forgery, and (b) do not have enough sense or patience to check with those who can, then you have no business buying or owning autographs.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 05-16-2014 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Dixon:
The final sentence in her message suggested I shouldn't send "slanderous emails thru the eBay system".
Of course the seller knows it's a worthless fake. Why else would a $3,000 item, if authentic, be listed for $600?

Textbook aggressive response from a seller of counterfeit material. Honest sellers who may have unknowingly listed a bad item do not respond in that manner.

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-16-2014 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The seller has now been kind enough to message me informing they're going to report me to the "proper authorities" ... whoever they are.

This'll prove to be interesting, assuming he /she has the courage to pursue it.

jtheoret
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posted 05-16-2014 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jtheoret   Click Here to Email jtheoret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That seller wouldnt know proper or authority.

moonnut
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posted 05-16-2014 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonnut   Click Here to Email moonnut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would that be the same reputable authority that claimed authenticity? If so, no worries... they don't exist!! Also, I do agree with you Robert.

Mike Dixon
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posted 05-17-2014 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, here's an extract from the seller's listed item.
This item does NOT come with a PSA/DNA or any other document stating it is real. I was informed it was a genuine signature and that is all I have to go on.
...and here's the seller's first response to my recommendation (direct, but nonetheless polite) that she pull the item or risk "damaging your reuputation."
How is it a fake? I was told it is the real thing, by a reputable business. I did the Google search and it only shows to be a real thing.
Try reconciling those two statements. As I said, some people...

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