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dragon001
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From: Allentown, PA, USA
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posted 03-03-2013 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragon001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm interested in thoughts on this auction. I note the Sharpie pen in the picture, with the "SCRAP" on the item in black marker.

That black sharpie is suspicious [to me]. And it appears there is no scrap paperwork.

noroxine
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posted 03-04-2013 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for noroxine   Click Here to Email noroxine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrap in general appear in red and are not hand drawn (special stamp), so this one is not standard.

Man says flown I really doubt, just take attention to the attach parts they look like new and unused, so after a journey in space this parts is really in a very good condition like... brand new!

Seams to be original since the tag number V070 look like original, but with no paper and no guarantee of source I'm not sure it is a good buying.

Another thing strange, why only photo of one face of the part... Hopes this help.

rgarner
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posted 03-04-2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm in the right mind to report it. 'Likely flown' my eye.

Gonzo
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posted 03-04-2013 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck reporting it. Note the seller doesn't say it is flown, just that it is likely. Which means he has NO provenance proving it did. Which further means it hasn't. So he's trying to play off the idea that it may have and has jacked the price up accordingly for no legitimate reason.

space1
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posted 03-04-2013 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space1   Click Here to Email space1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen lots of Space Shuttle parts with hand-marked "scrap" labels, and many others with red spray paint. These were marked this way after removal from a flown shuttle so the parts would not be installed again. That is what makes this part likely flown, but without the paperwork it isn't a certainty.

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Spaceguy5
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posted 03-06-2013 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen hand-marked parts before — usually (meaning: every instance I've seen at least) they're marked in red, but I wouldn't say it's impossible for them to be marked in black.

The only way to know if it's flown for certain would be to either have paperwork, a scrap tag, or being able to find telltale signs of atomic oxygen corrosion (if it's a beta cloth blanket). Beta cloth that's flown will usually (but not necessarily — it depends on amount of usage) be discolored, and there may be tiny holes, scratches, and wrinkles in it.

Looking on the front and back of this particular blanket though, this looks like it was installed somewhere inside the shuttle. So spotting corrosion is irrelevant.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 03-06-2013 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like to be one of the polymide film/fibrous shuttle orbiter blankets.

Such thermal control system insulation as this are located on the floor and surface of an orbiter vehicle, and around various shuttle components, mainly within the payload bay area.

It would help if the blanket had a TCS number so that it can be quickly determined if it flew or not. Indicated VO7O and OCN numbers can help as well, but better in having a TCS number, in my opinion.

In most instances, though, "SCRAP" is normally applied in red on the item itself.

But not always is the case as I do have a few orbiter insulation blankets that were marked by other means while being processed at KSC's Thermal Protection System Facility during the shuttle program.

Spaceguy5
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posted 03-07-2013 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
It would help if the blanket had a TCS number so that it can be quickly determined if it flew or not.
Do you mean a tag such as this one? What exactly do these numbers mean? This one is attached to a fibrous blanket covered in plain Kapton (similar to the blankets installed on the forward bulkhead of the payload bay). It had another tag that had the part number and OCN.

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