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spacehiker
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posted 06-30-2012 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacehiker   Click Here to Email spacehiker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any comments on whether these lithos are autopens or genuine would be much appreciated, especially the HH Schmitt signature. Thanks.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 06-30-2012 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a quick glance, the first two appear authentic, but the last one is autopen.

benfairfax
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posted 06-30-2012 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are mine for comparison. The first two are real, the last three are autopens/preprint.

17 Harrison Schmitt

Harrison H Schmitt

17 Harrison Schmitt (Autopen)

17 Harrison Schmitt BS (Autopen) (2)

17 Harrison Schmitt BS (autopen)

mjanovec
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posted 07-01-2012 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ben - Your business suit litho with the American flag and lunar globe is not an autopen. Unless this a re-print or copy, then it's most likely an authentic signature.

spacehiker
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posted 07-01-2012 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacehiker   Click Here to Email spacehiker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like I might have got a good buy, I bought all 3 as probable autopens.

Just out of interest is the H H Schmitt signature more unusual?

spaced out
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posted 07-01-2012 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess these come from the same seller who was offering numerous examples a few weeks back. It seems that he had an impressive stack of WSS and business suit signed lithos, most of which were indeed hand signed with just a couple of Autopens amongst them.

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posted 07-01-2012 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark, thanks for the info. It is not a reprint or copy so looks like I've scored. It's so hard to tell with Schmitt.

As for the H.H I have never seen this before, so I think it is a good buy. These wouldn't happen to be bought of "leosofat" would they?

My lot had only 2 come from that particular seller, the second WSS and the first BS litho. happy days.

spacehiker
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posted 07-01-2012 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacehiker   Click Here to Email spacehiker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the further comments everyone. These did indeed come from the eBay seller Leosofat, I managed to catch them straight after they were posted on eBay.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 07-01-2012 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, Schmitt autographs with "H. H." are not unusual. The 12th moonwalker did in fact sign with three different variations.

Others are "Harrison H." and "Jack." It does sound a bit odd that one particular eBay seller happens to have so, so many signed Schmitt lithos! But most appear to be authentic with only a few autopens.

Beau08
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posted 07-02-2012 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are two more lithos from the same seller. Comparing them to Chris's autopen site and what I've seen here I think these are real, but what do you all think?

benfairfax
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posted 07-02-2012 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Schmitt is very similar to mine, with the flag and globe. The only apprehension I have with either is that towards the end of the signature the ink is different. I'm leaning toward the Worden being an Auto, with a finer pen. I could be wrong though.

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posted 07-03-2012 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spacehiker: I think you bought your Harrison about a minute before I was going to buy it. I emailer leosofat to see if he had anymore of them and he said he had one more. I bought it as soon as it hit ebay. Ours look very similar, but upon close inspection I can find many small differences so I think we lucked out and may have originals. I have been searching Harrison autos and have yet to find one where the last '"t" is not fully crossed. Maybe Steve Zarelli can look at these and shed some light...

Steve Zarelli
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posted 07-07-2012 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often shudder when I get Schmitts for review because his Apollo era signature was signed with such consistency, even real exemplars can be very close to Autopen.

Sometimes you really need to examine very closely under high magnification to be certain.

One thing to bear in mind is, that sometimes there are slight variations with an Autopen. For instance, the photo shifted slightly or the armature swung a little further in one direction. This can give the appearance of a stroke going further, hence giving the impression it's not an Autopen. When in fact, the entire rest of the signature is an exact match, so it is an Autopen.

Looking through this thread, in my opinion:

Spacehiker:

  • Globe pose – I suspect Autopen... need a bigger scan
  • HH Schmitt – good
  • WSS - Autopen
Benfairfax: Agree with your assessment, but I'd want to double check Globe pose signed in blue with a high res scan. Might be okay as Mark stated.

Beau:

  • Schmitt – need much larger scan
  • Worden – Autopen

spacehiker
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posted 07-08-2012 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacehiker   Click Here to Email spacehiker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, thanks for your comments. I have taken a larger scan of the business suit signature. I'd be grateful for further comments.

I am glad I am not the only one who finds it difficult to distinguish between Harrison Schmitt's actual and autopen signatures!

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