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Topic: FS: Armstrong, Apollo 8 crew autographs
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gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 12-14-2008 08:27 AM
   
Listed on Ebay:Rare signed pic of Armstrong on the Moon. Also, Apollo 8 crew and Shepard signed silver space suit (see "sellers other items" under "brammers"). Paul |
ilbasso
Member Posts: 1522
From: Greensboro, NC USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 12-14-2008 01:09 PM
Are you sure about the Apollo 8 crew photo? The Bill Anders sig doesn't look anything like one that he signed in person for me. |
jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-14-2008 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by ilbasso:
Are you sure about the Apollo 8 crew photo? The Bill Anders sig doesn't look anything like one that he signed in person for me.
I'm sure Paul wont rise to this as we all know how Anders tries his best to sign in odd ways and difficult places but check out Relics of the Space Race third edition page 178 and your question is answered. |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 12-14-2008 03:13 PM
Thanks Paul. I think a variation of RTFQ comes to mind  Paul |
ilbasso
Member Posts: 1522
From: Greensboro, NC USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 12-14-2008 06:34 PM
Those of us without access to said book have a more difficult time of making the comparison!I guess I have gotten so jaded with evilBay stuff that I just react when I see stuff that doesn't look right - too many other folks explain away their obvious fakes that I don't even read the descriptions any more. |
stsmithva
Member Posts: 1933
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-14-2008 07:42 PM
It is an interesting astronaut autograph fact that Anders has a variety of signing styles, possibly done purposefully to make autographs harder to sell. For example, take a look at this one currently for sale on eBay by Florian. But "we all know" is going a bit far.Steve |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 4167
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-15-2008 04:45 AM
FWIIW I have seen a number of Anders signed pieces signed in the same way as that on Brammers litho. And yes, Anders does like to "play" with collectors.Regards, Rick |
Rob Joyner
Member Posts: 1308
From: GA, USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 12-15-2008 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
And yes, Anders does like to "play" with collectors.
I wish Anders would "play" at Spacefest in February! |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1745
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-16-2008 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by stsmithva:
For example, take a look at this one currently for sale on eBay by Florian.
This quickly applied "Anders" signature likely came from the hand of Bill Anders and is an abbreviated style that he used back around the time of Apollo 8. And it originally coming from early collector/dealer Eberhard Coelle would add to it being authentic. But it's a lousy example and not something most of us would pay the $280 it went for, but few of us gobble up astronaut autographs of all kinds like the prolific eBay buyer of this lot does - he's certainly a dealer's dream. Bob Mc. |
lm5eagle
Member Posts: 429
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Registered: Jul 2007
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posted 12-16-2008 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Bob M:
...but few of us gobble up astronaut autographs of all kinds like the prolific eBay buyer of this lot does - he's certainly a dealer's dream.
Bob, this part of your comment interested me particularly. I have failed to achieve any successful bids against this fella to the extent that it has become particularly frustrating. But what can you do against a bidder who pays over $100 for a Karen Nyberg (STS-124) autopen?!Andy |
poolman18
Member Posts: 225
From: Ontario,Canada
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-16-2008 04:03 PM
Signature is all a matter of opinion. I actually prefer this signature compared to his current one. The early Apollo 8 is much more fluid IMHO . I also bid on this item but let it good because of the price.David |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1745
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-16-2008 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by poolman18:
Signature is all a matter of opinion. I actually prefer this signature compared to his current one.
I'd also possibly prefer one of these quickly applied "Anders" early signatures to most of his "modern" ones, but the simplicity of the "Anders" signatures make them very susceptible to forgery.Superior to any of the carelessly applied "Anders" and modern versions would be the more well-applied "Bill Anders" autographs that he obviously took more care to apply in his early days and can be found. BMc |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 12-17-2008 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by Bob M:
Superior to any of the carelessly applied "Anders" and modern versions would be the more well-applied "Bill Anders" autographs that he obviously took more care to apply in his early days and can be found.
Well actually, if you can obtain his signature through e.g. the ASF auction, he currently signs as "Bill Anders" with the "old-style" Anders, but applied a little more carefully. IMO the point is not about old vs new, it's about mood at time of signing and his perception of what the owner might do with the signature. The example on my Ebay item is hardly the first time this style has been seen, so I'm surprised there is so much debate regarding a well-known variation, documented (by Anders) in a letter shown in Russ Still's book.Paul |
jut2y
Member Posts: 260
From: worthing west sussex united kingdom
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 12-17-2008 01:04 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself.Paul. |
Bob M
Member Posts: 1745
From: Atlanta-area, GA USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-17-2008 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
I'm surprised there is so much debate regarding a well-known variation, documented (by Anders) in a letter shown in Russ Still's book.
I'm not debating anything. There are many variations - some well-known, others not. There are as many variations as Anders has moods and the various autograph situations he has found himself in. The Bill Anders signature "variation" I received in person in 1999 is all but identical to Robert's "Bill Anders" signature (displayed in his collection here on cS) that he also received in person about a year later. Others who were fortunate to meet Anders and get an autograph probably have other variations, with some probably very similar to Paul's example on his A8. BMc |
328KF
Member Posts: 1234
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Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 12-17-2008 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by lm5eagle:
I have failed to achieve any successful bids against this fella to the extent that it has become particularly frustrating. But what can you do against a bidder who pays over $100 for a Karen Nyberg (STS-124) autopen?!
w***a...mmm...William Anders? |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 12-17-2008 05:04 PM
While I sometimes prefer vintage-style signatures, I often look at the how well the signatures "compliment" each other on a crew-signed item. It appears all three signatures on this item are more modern variations of the Apollo 8 crew signatures and the collector was careful to have the astronauts apply their signatures in the same pen color and thickness...so in that respect they compliment each other very nicely and make for a very desirable item that, in my eyes, has no real shortcomings. And, of course, they all appear to be authentic...which means they meet the most important criterion of them all.  Good luck with your auction, Paul! |
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