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Chuckster01
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posted 08-13-2018 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuckster01   Click Here to Email Chuckster01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if Mach 25 patches are still issued to all astronauts who fly or did that end with the space shuttle program?

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posted 08-15-2018 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know the status of the Mach 25 patch at current, but the Soyuz spinoff "MAXA 25" patch continues to be presented, as seen in these photos of Kimiya Yui with Kjell Lindgren and Butch Wilmore with Samantha Cristoforetti.

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posted 08-16-2018 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuckster01   Click Here to Email Chuckster01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is the first I have seen of the MAXA-25 patch with Soyuz capsule instead of a shuttle.

Very cool.

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posted 08-17-2018 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mmcmurrey   Click Here to Email mmcmurrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see a MAXA 25 in these pics. It looks like MACH 25 patches.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-17-2018 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed, it does look like the "Mach" in the photo with Wilmore, but it still seems appropriate to refer to them as the MAXA 25 patch after the original Soyuz design (linked above).

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posted 03-22-2019 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A-B Emblem posted up some old and new Mach 25 patches to their "Lost in Space" page and they were swept up in less than 10 minutes, not sure what the quantity was other than "limited."

Given that these are usually extras from an official production run it looks like it's safe to say astronauts for SpaceX and Boeing may be sporting these on their flight suits in the future?

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 03-22-2019 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I saw these Mach 25 patches at about 17:10 pm GMT. By the time I come to hit the "Buy" button they were all sold out. The message I got was, "Out of stock, some items are no longer available".

I would say there were probably no more than six of each patch available. (Maybe less?)

Each patch has the following SKU patch design numbers;

  • Space Shuttle (original design) 406823
  • Space Station (showing Soyuz craft) 406821
  • SpaceX 408044 (new)
  • Starliner 408046 (new)
These SKU numbers are all 2019 patch design numbers, and the date codes are probably all February and March prototype/sample "55" date codes?

They were described by AB Emblem as "Patch the same one issued by NASA for current astronauts."

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posted 03-22-2019 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were made available, momentarily, a few times (~17:35 GMT and 19:30 GMT), but by the time my cart was finalized they were gone again.

vanerie
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posted 03-22-2019 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vanerie   Click Here to Email vanerie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I am checking this site 5 times a day and seem to continue to miss everyone of these patches.

There should be a way that collectors can be added to a list or even added to a standing order list to obtain some of these patches. AB Emblem is actually driving the value up by limiting the number they are making available. I say either make enough additional to cover a standing order list or destroy the remaining inventory.

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posted 03-22-2019 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At least limit such items to one per person.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-22-2019 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem is aware of collector concerns and is considering changes to its site to better manage sales of limited quantity patches.

Back on the subject of the Mach 25 patches, it will be interesting to see if an Orion "Mach 36" version is also eventually produced.

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posted 03-22-2019 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was under the impression (however false it may be) that the only way to own a Mach 25 patch was to either 1. Fly into space and be personally presented one for completing a Mach 25 flight, or 2. Buying one from a person above's collection.

If extras are now being made available, I would hope that a larger run could be made at some point.

I can only speak for myself, but I would pay more than $25 to purchase one from AB Emblem directly. I have to imagine there is a significant group of people (guessing on the order of 100's of individuals) that if given the chance would be willing to do the same.

It would be interesting to hear AB Emblem's opinion of this, for us all to have an opportunity to purchase at a cost that covers manufacturing and their typical profit margin.

Is the selling of these extras blessed by the current/future presenting organizations?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-22-2019 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selling off a few extras (especially if they are production samples) does not change the status quo when it comes to collecting the Mach 25 patch. It remains a rarity in collectors' hands.

Producing enough to fulfill demand would alter the significance of the patch and likely run afoul of the Astronaut Office.

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posted 03-22-2019 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James913   Click Here to Email James913     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First question pops to my mind: why was a new run of space shuttle Mach 25 patches being made for NASA?

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posted 03-22-2019 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Per a recent (unrelated) discussion with a shuttle astronaut, NASA still provides patches to its program veterans as needed.

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posted 03-22-2019 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies, will remain hopeful that a larger run is made in the future.

On a side note, in a previous thread relating to a launch, it was noted that SpaceX no longer releases mission patches to the public prior to the success of a mission (at least through their online store). The presence of a Crew Dragon Mach 25 astronaut patch having already been sold to the public is an interesting tangent. On second thought, I guess Ripley would need one...

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posted 03-22-2019 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thisismills:
...the only way to own a Mach 25 patch
Years ago — and I apologize for being vague on this, it's been that long — I remember buying a Mach 25 patch from a company from whom I also bought an STS-86 sans Wolf patch.

And I believe on a previous thread someone here mentioned they saw for sale or bought one at a NASA exchange.

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posted 03-23-2019 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I own a Mach 25 patch that was given to me years ago by Jon McBride.

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posted 03-23-2019 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone else find this whole thing bizarre?

I was always under the impression that the Mach 25, 100 Days, etc. were produced only for distribution within the astronaut office.

It seems odd to me to see a vendor making them available for sale as though they were contraband.

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posted 03-23-2019 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thisismills   Click Here to Email thisismills     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for some more good data points on other ways people acquired in the past (from an astronaut and maybe at the NASA exchange).

There are several different replicas/reproductions out there that pop up on eBay from time to time. They are very similar to official versions and sometimes the photos are either not good enough to tell the difference or the patch you actually receive is slightly different (a stock photo of an official one is used and instead a replica is shipped).

I was excited to see that we could have gotten one from the source, AB Emblem, directly, as was unaware that option being available in the past... thus eliminating any question of its origin and guaranteeing its quality. High demand, rarity, and value tend to increase the incentive to deceive unfortunately.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of this batch end up at auction or on eBay, and fingers crossed that people who buy them get originals and not knockoffs. I will be waiting for manufacturer sales directly.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-23-2019 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoesTo11:
It seems odd to me to see a vendor making them available...
It does seem odd, but there is some precedent.

About 15 years ago, AB Emblem sold off a large number of its samples and overruns to a dealer, which resulted in patches never intended for public sale being resold on eBay. These sales included the Apollo 17 and STS-4 initialed patches.

The timing is different and AB Emblem has cut out the middleman, but it is basically the same thing.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 03-25-2019 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another set of four of these Mach 25 patches were listed today at 09:15 am EST (13:15 pm GMT). That makes six sets of four Mach 25 patches sold (so far). I have been told that all these patches have embedded labels with date codes ending with "55" on them (prototype/sample patches).

It is looking like AB Emblem is listing these patches one set at a time now.

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posted 03-25-2019 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are all "0319 55," A-B Emblem crown logo sticker.

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posted 03-25-2019 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if nothing else, the "55" sample demarcation will distinguish these patches from those sourced from space shuttle, Soyuz and future astronauts.

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posted 03-25-2019 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As it turns out, the label on the back is a sticker, not embedded under the plastic material.

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posted 03-25-2019 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the SKU patch design numbers on the SpaceX and Starliner Mach 25 patch stickers are different to the ones used on the AB Emblem website. Which of the two SKU numbers are on your packing slip Liem?
  • SpaceX 408044 on the website, 405044 on the patch sticker
  • Starliner 408046 on the website, 405046 on the patch sticker
I wonder which one is the error? Or are there two versions of these two patches?

I also noticed there is a missing "0" from the 319 55 date code on the Starliner sticker.

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posted 03-25-2019 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't consider the "319 55" number any sort of variation. If you look closely, the sticker cut above, partially included in the label does have the zero, so it's probably a defect or inking issue with their stamper (this could explain other missing 0 labels elsewhere? who knows)

SKUs on the packing slip match the website.

Robert Pearlman
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For comparison, here are examples of shuttle and Soyuz Mach 25 patches obtained from an astronaut (on the left) and their new sample counterparts. As you can see, the designs differ in stitching and thread color.

The astronaut-obtained shuttle example was made by AB Emblem in 2016. The Soyuz version has no label.

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posted 03-26-2019 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks for showing the earlier two patches top and middle left.
What is the patch design number and date code on the top left Shuttle Mach 25 patch? Many thanks Robert.

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The shuttle Mach 25 design is 160016; the date code is 7/16/20.

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posted 04-24-2019 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An additional batch of the Mach patches was authorized by A-B Emblem for sale on their site, this time it's production run ("PR") extras (all but the Soyuz version). I estimate there were 12 or so of each. This time they have production date codes.

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posted 04-24-2019 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The SKU patch design numbers and date codes on the embedded labels were as follows;
  • Boeing Starliner 405046 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
  • Space Shuttle 406823 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
  • SpaceX Dragon 405044 A-B Emblem 04/19 20
AB Emblem is still listing the Boeing Starliner SKU as 408046 and the SpaceX SKU as 408044 on their website.

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posted 05-02-2019 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today between 12:00 noon and 13:00 pm GMT all seven of the Mach 25 patches were removed from the AB Emblem "Lost In Space" website pages, along with all the other "Sold Out" patches. (A total of 21 patches were deleted).

Update: A set of three production Mach 25 patches sold for $250.00 on 5th May with Buy It Now on eBay. That set of three was listed for just eleven minutes.

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