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hoorenz
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posted 08-29-2014 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On photos taken during the Soyuz TMA-14M crew exams, Elena Serova can be seen wearing a personal patch. Does anyone know who produced it?

The designer seems to have been 'inspired' by Alex Panchenko's 2005 Soyuz TMA-7 patch. Or... is it a Panchenko patch? It would be his first since Soyuz TMA-11.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 08-29-2014 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this patch is indeed a Panchenko patch, then I do hope it will be available to collectors for a "normal price" and not the ridiculous prices Alex asked in the past for patches.

hoorenz
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posted 08-29-2014 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is, I think there is a chance that it will only be available after the flight, flown and signed... two factors that of course will add to the value of the patch.

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posted 08-29-2014 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz crewmembers have the right for only 1 kilogram of personal items to bring up and down to ISS for an expedition mission. So it would be very difficult for Serova to fly (a lot of) her personal patches (for Panchenko) to space. If she also wants to bring other stuff with her. So flown (and signed) is now difficult.

Also to get a real flown patch it needs to have the onboard ISS stamps with dates on it, otherwise I would not believe it was/is a flown patch. A simple photo of the patch floating in space is easy to make and has no value and gives you no proof you receive the patch on the photo if there are no onboard stamps on it. So watch out before buying "flown" patches.

hoorenz
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posted 08-29-2014 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not know about the 1 kg limit. It explains why one recent cosmonaut tried to bring patches (together with some other personal items) down on a Dragon. Unfortunately, these were all confiscated (and probably destroyed) by the Americans, because... the Russians do not have a contract with NASA to bring down items on that ship... So yes, I agree with you that it is difficult for today's cosmonauts to bring back a lot of flown patches.

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posted 08-29-2014 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I find odd about this is that just last month I asked Serova about how she might mark her personal mission, if she had any special plans. And while I didn't mention a patch, she didn't volunteer it either.

She basically said she wasn't bringing anything to distinguish her flight — at least in the context as her being only the fourth female cosmonaut — from her crewmates.

hoorenz
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posted 08-29-2014 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right. The flowers do really distinguish her as a woman... I do not think any male cosmonaut would fly with a patch like this.

Which reminds me that Elena Kondakova also had a personal patch with a rose on it, designed by the late Vadim Molchanov and produced by Stewart Aviation. She did wear it during training for that flight, but did not wear it aboard the Mir station.

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posted 09-03-2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We learned that one such patch will fly (or has already been sent) to the ISS as part of Elena's onboard clothing.

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posted 09-26-2014 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A video still with a closer look at Serova's patch:

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posted 10-01-2014 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's written "ТАРХАНЫ" ("TARKHANY") on the patch. It is the radiocall of the crew. And at the bottom:"KOSMONAVT ELENA SEROVA" in Russian.

hoorenz
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posted 10-06-2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On Facebook, in an answer to Leon Rosenblum, Mark Serov confirms that information about the patch will follow when the flight is complete. So there seems to be some sort of strategy associated with this patch. In the mean time, for those who missed it, the patch is indeed on Elena Serova's onboard Kentavr suit. Maybe she is planning to auction her flown patch for a good cause? Just a thought.

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posted 10-07-2014 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hoorenz:
Maybe she is planning to auction her flown patch for a good cause?
Have some doubts about good plans of the patch designer and manufacturer. It used to be very different before! I would be glad to be mistaken.

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