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IconDesign29
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posted 10-17-2012 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IconDesign29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to provide a little perspective on this updated version of the design as I knew going into this that these changes would not be popular with everyone.

I appreciate Tim stepping in and confirming a few points until I was able to respond here. Unfortunately, the changes to this design were inadvertently a result of the reasoning behind the changes to the Expedition 37 design and the approval process for these patches is a lengthy and complicated one.

I did indeed work directly with the crew on incorporating the new elements and I was the only artist involved in making these changes so this was not a case of someone having to change another artist's design. We came up with a number of different options to add the new elements and this version was the best overall option that everyone was happy with.

Although I did specifically ask about including all of the elements you now see into the patch before I ever originally designed it, at the time, we decided to go for the sleeker, simpler, and overall bolder design that was approved a year ago.

To this day, there has been an overwhelmingly positive response to the original design's uniqueness by both this community and the NASA community which is why the last thing anyone wanted to do was completely scrap original design and start over. So we all opted to do our best to maintain the originality of the design but also get all of the necessary elements in there as well.

Does the new version suffer from this? Yes, I do feel we have lost a bit of that sleek simplicity the original had, but I believe it is still a tasteful and unique design and is one that I am still honored to have had the opportunity to create. I am so grateful I was given the freedom and trust to try something different and I believe this design will still pave the way for trying new techniques in the future.

By the way, I don't want to post the hi-res artwork until NASA officially releases it, but I will say that it actually doesn't feel quite as busy as the patch does. The names have more breathing room in the artwork and are not as bold as the thread made them so the design doesn't feel as claustrophobic.

As always, thanks for your support and feedback everyone!

hoorenz
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posted 10-17-2012 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blake, let me tell you that it is absolutely great that NASA decided to give you this opportunity: you are a very talented artist and your designs deserve to be flown in space! I realize you were faced with a very difficult task, having to add these elements to your design. I really hope that for your next patch, and I am sure there will be, the process will be much smoother.

KAPTEC
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posted 10-17-2012 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hoorenz:
Blake, I really hope that for your next patch, and I am sure there will be, the process will be much smoother.
I think the same Blake, you deserve it and I'm sure you will get it. I think it is still being a great patch and, surely, if we had not seen the first version we would have liked this one more from the beginning.

IconDesign29
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posted 10-17-2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IconDesign29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much, gentlemen! The kind words and encouragement are greatly appreciated.

This definitely was not a discouraging experience and I am still very excited about this being my first mission patch design! I thoroughly look forward to future opportunities and am not out of ideas yet!

GoesTo11
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posted 10-17-2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought I'd mention that AB Emblem confirmed to me that they will not produce any more of Blake's original Exp. 36 patch. They have "a few" left in inventory, and some retailers like the Space Store have them, but they won't be re-stocked anywhere.

dogcrew5369
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posted 10-17-2012 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will this be the new norm of getting an early version patch and then the revised patch? Two in a row seems to start a trend.

Will Expedition 38, 39, 40, etc. continue this new trend or should we look at 36 and 37 as an aberration?

First there were debates whether to put names on the expedition patches and now the whole patch is up for debate. Scratching my head.

KSCartist
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posted 10-17-2012 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Knowing what I do of the backstory, I believe that 36 and 37 will be an aberration.

The patch work for 38, 39 40 and 41 is underway. Knowing who the artist is for a couple of them I expect we will be impressed. It's not me, by the way.

hoorenz
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posted 10-18-2012 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dogcrew5369:
Will Expedition 38, 39, 40, etc. continue this new trend?
Not if the first time we see any of these patches, is not also the first time the Expedition commander sees it. Nor is something he has seen, but he has rejected a couple of months earlier.

IconDesign29
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posted 10-18-2012 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IconDesign29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think we'll see these same issues again, Erik. I would expect the patches beyond Exp 37 to be fully approved prior to being released with no further changes needed.

dogcrew5369
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posted 10-20-2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the early version Expedition 36 patch was rejected why did I see Chris Cassidy wearing the unoffical version yesterday on NASA TV in Russia? And I picked up 3 from the Space Store yesterday. Rare or not I don't want to look back and wish.

hoorenz
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posted 10-20-2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was the first version of the 37 patch that was rejected, but was made into a patch.

The first version of the 36 artwork was never rejected, but was never presented for approval to commander Vinogradov. Some 20 months (!) before the start of the expedition, the embroidered patch was simply handed to him.

Vinogradov was unpleasantly surprised, because he had his own ideas for a mission patch, but believed he still had enough time to discuss these with the crew. Because NASA had already officially released the art, a compromise was reached to add the elements he had wanted to see, to Blake's design.

So technically the first version of 36 is not 'rejected', but 'unfinished'.

QuiGon Grin
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posted 10-21-2012 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QuiGon Grin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IconDesign29:
By the way, I don't want to post the hi-res artwork until NASA officially releases it, but I will say that it actually doesn't feel quite as busy as the patch does.
This was something I was wondering myself; if a logo version if on say paper, painted or "beta cloth" would look better as "thread count" wouldn't be involved.

LM-12
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posted 11-02-2012 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the updated version of the 36 design looks great.

The dynamic design of the Expedition 36 patch portrays the International Space Station's (ISS) iconic solar arrays. The slanted angles denote a kinetic energy leading from the Earth in the lower right to the upper left tip of the triangular shape of the patch, representing the infinite scientific research, education, and long-duration spaceflight capabilities the ISS provides with each mission, as well as our goal for future exploration beyond the Space Station.

The numbers 3 and 6 harmoniously intertwine to form expedition number 36 and its gray coloration signifies the unity and neutrality among all of the international partners of the ISS.

The blue and gold color scheme of the patch represents the subtle way the central gold orbit wraps around the number 36 to form a trident at its lower right tip. The trident also symbolizes the sea, air, and land, all of which make up the Earth from where the trident originates in the design.

SleeBaudrons
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posted 03-12-2013 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleeBaudrons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just received one of the first version ISS Expedition 36 patches and was surprised to see that it had a "Made in Taiwan" label on the back. If production had been shifted to the Far East, it implies that AB Emblem had completed the initial production run at its American factory. If so, considerable numbers of this patch might still be in circulation.

hoorenz
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posted 03-12-2013 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Production of the first version already started in August 2011. AB Emblem got word that the patch would be replaced in August / September 2012, a full year later...

MSS
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posted 03-18-2013 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS   Click Here to Email MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a photo with decal version of the patch at the far left column on the cabin wall.

hoorenz
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posted 04-24-2013 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In this crop from a NASA image taken prior to Friday's spacewalk (and I have to admit you have to know what you are looking for) you can see in the background the design that Expedition 36 commander Pavel Vinogradov himself originally thought up for his crew. It is basically his earlier Expedition 13 patch (which he also designed), with an Italian instead of a German flag (I added an image of that patch as comparison).

Although a compromise was reached last summer with Pavel to add the Moon, Mars, names and flags to the patch that NASA released, he decided to also fly his own design as a personal memento and display it aboard the Russian section of the ISS. (Together with the Soyuz TMA-08M patch, which — not coincidentally — happens to be in the shape of his earlier Soyuz TMA-8 design).

hoorenz
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posted 05-30-2013 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Expedition-36 patch worn on the Sokols of the Soyuz TMA-09M crew (and on the onboard Kentavr suits of the entire Expedition 36 crew) differs slightly from the version that is commercially available. A mistake in the name of Misurkin was corrected (the 'Y' is not a valid Cyrillic character, Maciej was one of the people who spotted it) and a different variant of the 'D' was used in Vinogradov's name, to make it look less similar to the 'A' next to it.

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posted 05-30-2013 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But is it AB Emblem production?

On the training suits we saw the previous version of the patch with "Y" in the name of Missurkin. These patches were delivered to the Star City by NASA!

How to get this version of the patch? I'm eager to have one!

hoorenz
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posted 05-30-2013 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, these were produced by AB Emblem. But AB does not stock this version of the patch. It was privately ordered for the crew when it proved to be impossible to convince NASA to change the artwork, even though mass production of the patches had not yet started.

Since these patches had to be funded without NASA involvement, the production run had to be fairly limited. As a result, they could never compete with the number NASA put out, especially in places were they already supplied them, such as for the training suits.

Most of the corrected patches went to Russia to be used on the actual Zvezda and Kentavr produced flight suits, but it might be worth a try to ask Jacques (van Oene)!

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posted 05-30-2013 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So it was Fyodor Yurchikhin who specified to put this version of the ISS 36 patch on Sokol space suits and onboard suits produced by Kentavr?

Do we have onboard photos of the crew with this patch?

hoorenz
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posted 05-30-2013 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it was him. As you might know, patches are very important to Fyodor. He is an avid space patch collector himself. He clearly wanted Aleksandr Misurkin to debut in space with the right name on his suit!

Although I have seen the crew wear the Kentavr suits aboard (Yurchikhin and Vinogradov actually used them this morning during a Russian PR-event) these images are not clear enough to see that it is the corrected version.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-16-2013 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This patch is now for sale.

hoorenz
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posted 09-11-2013 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting observation: the crew launched with the Expedition-35 patch on their Sokols, but landed with the Expedition-36 patch on these suits. So they must have changed it on orbit. I think this was a first.

KSCartist
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posted 09-11-2013 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the second.

The crew of Kotov, Creamer and Noguchi launched with Expedition 22 and landed with 23.


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