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Byeman
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posted 06-26-2011 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byeman   Click Here to Email Byeman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone seen a patch this? And what does it represent?

Also, has anyone seen a patch for this organizational emblem?

The first I have never seen anywhere, even though I was based at LAAFS. It has the legend: Sine Qua Non Orbita. The 2nd one is for the Secretary of the Air Force Office of Special Projects - SAFSP, which was Program A of the NRO.

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posted 06-27-2011 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byeman   Click Here to Email Byeman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So no one has any responses today?

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posted 06-29-2011 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm familiar with the second one, but, uh...I can't talk about it.

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posted 06-29-2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron   Click Here to Email albatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never seen either one, but the patch especially is interesting. That roughly translates from Latin as:
Orbit without which there
...which is equally as mysterious.

Darn, wish I could help but will check back in hopes SOMEONE has some answers. Good luck!

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posted 07-02-2011 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SparkR_13   Click Here to Email SparkR_13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have been looking at that first one myself, tried to do some research for it but alas, no findings. From what I see though is obviously looking at something from the early 60's perhaps up into the early 70's, but not much after that.

Looking at the icons, the satellite is an early type and the rocket is very early as well. I would probably point you to the 6595, 6555 or 6594 squadrons, they operated out the VAFB and the CAPE back then.

Now you also state has anyone seen a patch? Well there may not be one. It could be something they thought of or associated with some documents but the patch may of never been made.

Would you have the whole picture to look at and not just the emblem? Perhaps by looking at the background, might figure out the time frame better, what is that rocket in the background?

Anyway, my two (worth one) cents...

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posted 07-02-2011 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fezman92   Click Here to Email Fezman92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could send a FOIA request to the NRO and the Air Force about it. Warning though, it will most likely take a few months. The first 100 pages are free and anything over 100 is $25. You can find more info on the Air Force FOIA website.

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posted 07-03-2011 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This isn't a squadron emblem. It's a shield-shaped emblem, so it would have to be a group, wing or establishment (like a center). Squadron emblems are circular.

I thought I would be able to track it down by looking at units stationed at Vandenberg, Los Angeles and Edwards, but was unsuccessful. I would drop the Air Force Historical Research Agency a note; They're always very helpful.

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posted 07-03-2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may or may not be familiar with a cool little book titled "I could tell you but..." by Trevor Paglen. It illustrates and attempts to decode many "black world" Pentagon emblems. Unfortunately, neither of the emblems you're asking about are in the book, but it's a great reference for future mysteries.

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posted 07-03-2011 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byeman   Click Here to Email Byeman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by albatron:
I've never seen either one, but the patch especially is interesting. That roughly translates from Latin as:
Orbit without which there
...which is equally as mysterious.

This is what someone on another forum posted:
"Sine qua non" is Latin for "without this, nothing" that, along with the "orbita" which is Latinized, presumably means that this organization provides support for boosting payloads to orbit or developing those capabilities."

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posted 07-03-2011 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byeman   Click Here to Email Byeman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was based at LAAFS/LAAFB from 83 to 88 working for the Deputy Commander for Launch and Control Systems. That was back when the main tenant of base was Space Division(SD). Since the collage was from back when they called it SAMSO (Space and Missile Systems Organization), the emblem could be for the same or equivalent office that I was in.

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posted 07-03-2011 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Byeman   Click Here to Email Byeman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 328KF:
I'm familiar with the second one, but, uh...I can't talk about it.

But have you ever come across a patch for it?

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