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Harald Kraenzel
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posted 01-29-2010 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I received some new STS and ISS patches directly from AB Emblem.

I was surprised when I had a look at the back where I saw a sticker showing some informations which I was told is the item number, the date of manufacturing and the machine used.

Maybe this is helpful for collectors.

dogcrew5369
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posted 01-29-2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These stickers were also present on the reverse of recent shuttle patches I ordered from Skyforce Space Patches.

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posted 01-29-2010 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The decals came about as a result of changes to child safety laws, but have the added benefit of allowing collectors to quickly and easily identify an AB Emblem patch from another company's. All new AB Emblem patches, regardless of where or how they are sold now include the decal.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 01-29-2010 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The decals came about as a result of changes to child safety laws...
In addition to the above AB told me that this is a result of: "New government regulations for traceability."

Space Emblem Art
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posted 01-29-2010 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Emblem Art   Click Here to Email Space Emblem Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem makes my limited edition fictional Moonstar space patches and on my latest order received last month, I noticed the stickers on the back also.

It appears that AB affixes the sticker to the back of the patch before applying the plastic backing, so the sticker is "sealed" in and can't be removed without cutting into the plastic backing.

Voyager2012
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posted 06-27-2012 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a quick question about the AB Emblem label on the back of the patches. Are they only on the patches that came out for the last say two years or so? I was wondering if I ordered the ISS Expedition patches say from Expedition 1 thru 22 or something like that would they have the label or just for the recent expeditions over the last two years? Thanks!

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 06-28-2012 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my point of view only those patches which have manufactured recently (after that specific date they have to put that label on the back) do have it attached.

But this does not mean that you will get those e.g. Expedition 1 thru 22 without labels. It depends whether they had to do a further run for specific patches as they were out of stock. Those such possible new patches will have the label also.

Voyager2012
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posted 07-03-2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voyager2012   Click Here to Email Voyager2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harald, back when you first posted this topic in January of 2010, what were the ISS patches you got at that time with the labels on the back of them that you first noticed? Expedition 22? 23? Both?

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 07-04-2012 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both.

Liembo
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posted 10-02-2015 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prior to the numeric code tags on the backs of A-B Emblems patches, how often did they put these on the backs of their patches? I don't see this very often at all in the earlier STS crew patches. It's under the plastic backing as well.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-03-2015 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most shuttle missions had these patches from the STS-3 5" initialed patches, then from about STS-35 onwards, (with a round white type 2 sticker), that were attached to either samples, prototypes, and first production runs of usually 50 patches, had these various types of the AB Emblem white round embedded stickers attached to the backs of those patches. Some were also square or rectangular in shape, and or black in colour depending on when in the 30 year timeline they were produced.

Most of these patches were destined for the Astronaut Office, at the Johnson Space Center for approval and distribution to the crew, technicians and ground crews for each flight.

These patches are extremely hard to find as so few were produced prior to each flight, compared to the final version souvenir patches for each flight.

The examples that I've managed to see or acquire are;

  • STS-3 the 5" Crew initialled patches, 'JR' and CG'. (Type 1 Round White sticker).
  • STS-35 (Type 2 Round White sticker) on prototype patch with extra white border ring. (See SPDb.com).
  • STS-40 (Type 2 Round White sticker). Found in a type 3 KSC sales packet.
  • STS-50 (Type 2 Round White sticker). Partly completed rough patch.
  • STS-64 (Prototype patch with purple background instead of dark blue). (Type 3 Round White sticker).
  • STS-66 (Prototype patch with 3 wider lighter gold flames) (Type 3 Round White sticker). Seen 04-03-17.
  • STS-67 (Type 3 Round White sticker) Seen 03-02-18.
  • STS-68 (Prototype patch with smaller black text) (Type 3 Round White sticker). Seen 05-03-17.
  • STS-76 (Type 3 Round White). one and half stickers, (see SPDb.com).
  • STS-78 Red Sun Dots (Type 3 Round White sticker). See above (and on SPDb.com).
  • STS-78 Grey Sun Dots (Type 4 Round White sticker), first with phone number 1-800 438-4285
  • STS-79 (Type 3 Round White sticker).
  • STS-88 (Revised Crew). (Type 5 Round White sticker).
  • STS-89 (Type 4 Round White sticker).
  • STS-90 (Type 3 Round White sticker).
  • STS-101 (Original Crew). (Type 6 Round White sticker).
  • STS-115 (Type 6 Round White sticker) in sealed JSC 'Space Emblems' sales packet.
  • ISS-1 (Type 4 Round White sticker).
  • ISS-6 (Thomas). (Type 6 Round White sticker).
  • ISS-9 (Square Black with Crown style emblem sticker).
  • ISS-15 (No Names) (Diamond shaped Black & Gold with Crown style emblem sticker), see below.
  • ISS-12A P3 Truss P4 IEA STS-115 (Round Black with Crown style emblem sticker).
  • ISS Mission Integration & Operations Office (Round Black with Crown style emblem).
The STS-78 (Red Sun Dots) patch above has the Type 3 Round White sticker.

miborne
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posted 10-04-2015 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miborne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's nice when a company like AB Emblem has an identifier on the back. Is there somewhere where other backings are noted?

I have a lot of patches that have a variety of backings that I can't identify using the wonderful websites from other posters here. Some have coated twill, a thin wax back, vacuum sealed, Taiwan stickers, etc. Any help would be appreciated.

Liembo
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posted 10-04-2015 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For patches up through Apollo, the CrewPatches.com is your best resource. For more modern ones, SpacePatches.nl has some information regarding variations. SpacePatchDatabase.com also has information about variations and their source if you know what mission you're looking for.

I'm working on a more comprehensive Variations section on SPDb that talks about distinct variations among modern Crew Patches and their origins if I can properly trace them down.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 11-28-2015 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just acquired an AB Emblem ISS Expedition 15 (no names) patch with a new type of black and gold square, or I should say a 'diamond shaped' AB Emblem 'crown' type embedded label.

Gonzo
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posted 11-28-2015 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Liembo:
I'm working on a more comprehensive Variations section on SPDb that talks about distinct variations among modern Crew Patches and their origins if I can properly trace them down.
Liem, interesting addition. That kind of info takes research. If/when you're ready to write up the Apollo 11 patch, send me an email. I've got about 18-20 variations and would be happy to share images, info, whatever.

Liembo
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posted 11-28-2015 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Crewpatches.com is doing a great job of tracking the Apollo variations. I was going to try to pick up where he left off (STS-51L) and go from there.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 04-15-2018 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As from the beginning of January 2018, AB Emblem introduced a new style/design for their embedded labels on the backs of all their patches. It shows their trademark "Crown Emblem" and their trade name A-B Emblem replacing the "country of manufacture" on their labels. This could possibly of been in preparation for their moving the bulk of their NASA patch production to the Far East. Mainly in China, but they do have a facility in Taiwan too.

A trial run of these new labels was done during December 2017. The first patch run to have these new labels on them was the Expedition 54 275920 patches, with date code 12/1740 (40 indicates made in China). On this patch run the colour yellow around the outside border of this patch was replaced by a slightly darker orange/yellow thread. Whether this was deliberate or an error I'm not sure of.

The Expedition 54 patch run was followed by the Expedition 55 285121 patch run with date code 12/1720 (20 indicates made in USA), and then the CRS SpX-13 280480 patch run with date code 12/1740 (made in China). These three patches are the only ones with the new "Crown Emblem" labels I know of with the December 2017 date codes on them.

Update: The ISS-45 and ISS-48 patches have also been found with the new style A-B Emblem "Crown Emblem" labels and December 2017 date codes, see below.

January 2018 saw the start of the main production runs in China and Taiwan with the following patches;

  • ISS-43 217945 A-B Emblem 12/1740 (China)
  • ISS-45 235987 A-B Emblem 12/1740 (China)
  • ISS-45 235978 A-B Emblem 12/1/40 (China) with Patch Design # and Date Code Errors
  • ISS-48 246825 A-B Emblem 12/1740 (China)

  • NASA Worm red on white 28403 A-B emblem 01/1840 (China)
  • Mercury Program 15591 A-B Emblem 01/1810 (10 for Taiwan)
  • Ares 1-X 133451 A-B Emblem 01/1840 (China)
  • Curiosity 202977 A-B Emblem 01/1840 (China)
  • SpX-14 288004 A-B Emblem 01/1840 and 02/1840 (China)
  • ISS-51 269637 A-B Emblem 01/1840 (China) and 2/18/20 (USA)
  • ISS-57 (Epps) 279891 A-B Emblem 1/18/40 (China)

  • ISS-50 251106 Made In Taiwan 02/18 10 (old style label) (Taiwan)
  • ISS-52 279129 Made In USA 2/18/20 (old style label) (USA)
  • ISS-54 275920 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)
  • STS-7 49578 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)
  • STS-61A 56316 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)
  • ISS-55 285121 A-B Emblem 2/18/20 and 3/18/20 (USA)
  • ISS-53 275488 A-B Emblem 2/18/20 (USA)
  • 3" Apollo Program 15704 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)
  • 4" 1st Lunar Landing 15045 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)
  • ISS-57 (S.A-Ch 6 crew names) 291458 A-B Emblem 2/18/20 (USA)
  • ISS 4.5"x 2" 16 flags patch 14553 A-B Emblem 02/1840 (China)

  • SpX-15 293194 Made In China 03/18/40 (old style label)
  • ISS-55 285121 A-B Emblem 0318 55 (astronaut batch manufactured on the "sample machine" at Weaverville)
  • ISS-57 (S.A-Ch 6 crew names) 291458 Made In China 03/18/40 (old style label)
  • End of the Shuttle Program 1981-2011 283339 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (the new smaller 4"x 3" souvenir size commemorative patch. (China)
  • CRS ATK OA-9 290757 A-B Emblem 3 04 17 (I'm not sure about the date code on this one, this is probably a date code error?).
  • Orion EFT-1 (197258) all with blank new A-B Emblem 'crown' embedded labels on them, (No numerals for the patch design number or date code).
  • ISS-46 240929 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)
  • ISS-47 242279 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)
  • ISS-55 285121 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (1st ISS-55 to be made in China)
  • CRS SpX-13 280480 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)
  • ISS-56 (S.A-Ch) 289528 A-B Emblem 3/18/20 (USA)
  • ISS-56 (S.A-Ch) 289528 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)
  • ISS 4" Round 15 Flags patch 239138 A-B Emblem 03/18 20 (USA)
  • ISS 4" Round 15 Flags patch 239138 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)
  • CRS ATK OA-8 282369 Made In China 03/18/40 (Old Style label)
  • Orion Ascent Abort 2 280924 A-B Emblem 03/18 20 (USA)
  • ISS-55 Laser Cut Border 293197 A-B Emblem 3/1855 Prototype patch.
  • ISS-55 Laser Cut Border 293197 A-B Emblem 0318 55 Sample patch.
  • STS-135 174710 A-B Emblem 03/1840 (China)

  • CRS SpX-14 288004 A-B Emblem 04/1840 + the new extra 'Made In China' embedded label, (2 labels on these patches). See photo/scan below.
  • ISS-49 250742 A-B Emblem 04/1840 + 'Made In China label, (2 labels on these patches).
  • ISS-56 (S.a-Ch) 289528 A-B Emblem 4/18 20 (USA) 1 label only on these patches.
  • Orion Program triangular patch 130358 A-B Emblem 04/1840 + 'Made In China' labels (2 labels on these patches)
  • SpX-15 293194 A-B Emblem 04/1840 + 'Made In China' labels, (2 labels on these patches)
  • ISS-55 Laser Cut Border 293197 A-B Emblem 4/18 20 (USA)
    STS-1 36839 'A-B Emblem' + 'Made In China' labels, (2 labels on this patches)

  • ISS-57 294788 A-B Emblem 0518 55 (USA) Sample patch.
  • ISS-57 294788 A-B Emblem 5/18 20 (USA)

    New style embedded labels with their trade name, "crown emblem" and the country of manufacture on.

  • ISS-57 294788 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 05/1840
  • ISS-58 294792 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 05/1840
  • Orion EFT-1 197258 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 05/1840
  • ESA Astronaut & Star patch 19611 'A-B Emblem Made + In China' 05/1840
  • Apollo 13 15935 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 05/1840

  • NASA Worm red on white 28403 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 06/1840
  • 4" Apollo Program 296802 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 06/1840
  • NASA JSC Orbital Debris Program Office 295950 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 06/1840
  • ISS-56 293879 'A-B Emblem' 6/18 20 (USA)
  • ISS-58 294792 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 06/1840

  • NASA ODPO 295950 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 07/1840
  • ISS-55 Merrowed edge border 285121 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 07/1840
  • ISS-56 293879 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 07/1840
  • ISS-57 294788 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 07/1840
  • ISS-58 294792 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 07/1840
  • JAXA Japan Space Agency 298324 A-B Emblem + Made In China 07/1840

  • Apollo 14 16822 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 08/1840
  • Voyager 13754 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 08/1840

  • ISS-59 298576 'A-B Emblem + Made In China' 09/1840

  • Apollo 50 Next Giant Leap 401353 'A-B Emblem + Made In China 10/1840
There may be other NASA patches that have not yet been reported to me. As more come to light I will post them here.

During the trials in December 2017, the Expedition 55 patch run, part of that run has the old style embedded labels on them but with a slightly different date code, (an extra / ) 12/17/20, instead of 12/1720, as found on the new style "Crown Emblem" embedded labels.

As no embedded labels have yet been found on any of the revised Expedition 56 (Aunon-Chancellor) 289528 patches, I can't say where they were manufactured, but more than likely in China sometime during January and or February 2018?

The Expedition 56 (Epps) 286236 patch has now come to light (see update below) seen on the astronaut/cosmonaut training flight suits. Those patches were probably manufactured on the "Sample Machine" at Weaverville, N.C. sometime in early Autumn 2017.

Updates;

  • ISS-56 (Epps) 286236 'Made In USA' 11/1720 (old style label)
  • ISS-57 (Epps) 278722 'Made In USA' 4/1755 a prototype version with lighter grey thread stitching to the mast and stern of the ship.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 04-25-2018 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As of around the 1st April, (no joke), AB Emblem has had to add a second smaller embedded label to its NASA patches with the country of manufacture on it. So far I have only seen the "Made in China" labels. These new labels are definitely under the plastic coating on the backs of their patches.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 06-14-2018 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As of around the 1st May AB Emblem have changed/updated the text on their embedded labels again. They have done away with the extra "Made In China" and "Made In Taiwan" smaller embedded labels, and put the country of manufacture back on the new style "crown emblem" logo embedded labels under their trade name "A-B Emblem".

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