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moorouge
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posted 10-18-2009 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone recognize this patch (found on a New Zealand auction site) as to when and by which company it was issued?

moorouge
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posted 10-21-2009 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some time ago I read that an Irish collector had 28 versions of the Apollo 11 patch. Gene Dorr shows seven on his site and Chris Spain has 13 variations on his site including the 'Cadbury' patch which is shown elsewhere in this forum. To these may be added the one shown in my previous mail from New Zealand. So what are the missing ones? Can anyone add anything please?

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posted 10-22-2009 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This patch looks like a 3" version, is that correct?

moorouge
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posted 10-22-2009 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry don't know the size. It wasn't stated on the website. If it is a 3", how many versions of these were made and would their addition account for the grand total of 28 claimed?

benguttery
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posted 10-22-2009 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This patch looks smaller than 3 inches. Perhaps 2 or less. Almost looks like a scouting award patch.

Dougin SoCA
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posted 03-29-2011 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dougin SoCA   Click Here to Email Dougin SoCA     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've picked up three of the Apollo 11 mission patches along the way (all over 15 years ago). Here are scans of all three, I was just wondering if any of them were more unique or valuable than the others (not expecting any of them to be of any real value).

I'm sure they are among the most replicated patches ever made. It's interesting how different they are.

Thank you for your input.

Liembo
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posted 07-22-2013 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 11 seems to have the overwhelming number of variations and knock-off patches, that is for sure. I have been trying to document as many as I can for the Space Patch Database, including purchasing a few of my own which helps make for clearer scans. Below are a a few other modern Apollo 11 patches I've acquired from auctions.

Some are better than others, some are fairly crudely made. I do not know the manufacturer of any of the following, which is a shame, as a few are nicely made, particularly #2.

All of the patches below were scanned with the same pass so their comparative colors should be accurate:

J Blackburn
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posted 07-23-2013 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J Blackburn   Click Here to Email J Blackburn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Liembo:
Some are better than others, some are fairly crudely made. I do not know the manufacturer of any of the following, which is a shame, as a few are nicely made, particularly #2.
The third from the top is an Eagle Crest.

Gonzo
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posted 11-14-2013 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a red bordered Apollo 11 patch that appears to be an AB Emblem patch that I've never figured out where it came from. Any suggestions on it?

Gonzo
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posted 11-19-2013 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps pics would help?

I understand that part of the front is not filled in (near Earth), but in all my years of collecting, I've never seen a red bordered one like this. Anyone have any ideas?

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posted 11-29-2013 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just added an image of the Lion Brothers Apollo 11 3 1/2" Masonic symbol patch to my CrewPatches site.

This is the first example of this patch I have seen apart from the one shown in the black and white photo of the 3" and 3 1/2" speciality patches from the RetroSpaceImages disc.

I'm not sure at this point if the owner intends to sell the patch but I'll mention it here if he does. Needless to say I will be advising him to list it as an auction without a buy-it-now option.

BlueHalo
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posted 12-02-2013 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueHalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo:
I have a red bordered Apollo 11 patch that appears to be an AB Emblem patch that I've never figured out where it came from.
The red merrowed patch is called a Kedge or Kirk Edge patch.

The late Bob Kirk and three others who worked with him used to grab up and buy 50 gallon drums of over-runs, error, typos, missing embroidery type patches and would put a finished edge on them. Every patch they ever made or finished had some issue with it.

They always used a color that was not the original merrow color so "certain" collectors in the circle could easily identify these types of patches.

And off they went into unsuspecting collectors hands.

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posted 12-02-2013 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd never heard of that but it would likely explain the yellow bordered Apollo 9 and silver bordered Apollo 15 AB Emblem patches that turn up occasionally.

Gonzo
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posted 12-02-2013 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting and thanks for the info!

I've never heard of Bob Kirk and his crew, but it's interesting to find the answer to this patch. I've had it for a while, always with a question on why the red border. Now I know and will mark it accordingly in my collection.

Thanks again for solving this mystery!

BlueHalo
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posted 12-02-2013 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueHalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well you learn a few things, the people and what they have done from being in the business over the years. Glad I could shed some light on things like that.

Liembo
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posted 12-23-2013 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo   Click Here to Email Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this may be another Bob Kirk selvedged patch. The Apollo 16 patch in this auction has a white border.

BlueHalo
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posted 12-24-2013 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueHalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liem, I believe you are correct. In just about every case where a "Kirk Edge" or "Kedge" patch shows up there is always something wrong with the actual patch itself. They are all errors and/or rejects. Look at the left side of the vertical red bars. They are incomplete on the bottoms. If you study the patches and know what they are supposed to look like, you will always find the missing or corrupted embroidery in it.

Most runs (especially those manufactured on a Schiffly Embroidery machine) back in the day were manufactured with a 10% to 15% over-run. So when they finished them by adding the substrate backing and merrowed edges the client would be guaranteed through quality control their quantity of the ordered run. The over-runs, errors, incomplete, rejects, bird-nested patches etc., were discarded.

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posted 11-29-2015 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just when you think there can't be any more vintage 4" Apollo 11 patch versions out there, along comes another one.

I've added this to my site as AS11UNK12. The overall design is similar to the AB Emblem and the Dallas Cap & Emblem ('Grumman') versions but with distinctive brown fill on the Earth, prominent serifs on the "11", and more black detailing on the tail and legs.

I'd be interested to know how many other examples there are out there.

Incidentally, I don't own this one. It was discovered by Charles Jeffrey as part of an impressive collection of mostly rare vintage space patches.

As I understand it these patches are going to be sold as part of a U.S. Space Walk of Fame Museum fund-raising auction next March.

Gonzo
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posted 11-30-2015 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, Chris. As I've posted elsewhere, I have about 18-20 variations of the 4" patch, so details on this one would be interesting to add to them.

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