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Topic: Apollo 12 crew patch variants (updates)
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spaced out
Member Posts: 2223
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted January 18, 2009 06:04 AM
   
Whilst investigating in detail the question of multiple variants of the Apollo 12 crew patch I discovered quite a few suprises, not least the fact that the crew actually wore another patch entirely immediately post-recovery.You can read about the multiple variants of the original crew patch and the existence of another crew patch altogether on the Apollo 12 page of my Crew Patches site. As ever, this is only my interpretation of the evidence that I have access to. If other people have a different interpretation or access to other images that help please feel free to contact me. Also, I'd welcome a good scan of those patches I don't have in my own collection i.e. the 'other' crew patch, and variant 2 of the original crew patch. |
hoorenz
Member Posts: 536
From: The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted January 18, 2009 11:04 AM
Very interesting read! Erik
Spacepatches.nl |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 406
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted January 18, 2009 01:22 PM
Fortunately I got the "Variant 2". Thank you Chris for this post and for your work looking the origin of the patches.Jorge. |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 365
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted January 18, 2009 03:17 PM
Nice work, Chris, as always! Going back through my patches, turns out I've got versions 1 & 3 of the crew patch, plus the Ellington and one of the souvenir patches. That #2 patch was a new one to me though. Good spot! It's amazing how many little variations there are. My Ellington patch, by the way, has the 4th (lower/right) star just a little farther away from the wake, so it looks a bit more distinct. Very cool research, man. You're doing a great job.------------------
Bill Hunt |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 23493
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted January 18, 2009 04:06 PM
I have a "Variant 3 Blue" and I guess I will now be looking for the other two (as well as the Ellington patch, but then I guess we will all be in that same camp [less lucky Bill!]). Has anyone had a chance to ask why there were so many variations with either Bean or Gordon? Given Conrad's comments as reprinted on Chris' site, it seems it was something about which they were aware. |
andrewcli
Member Posts: 327
From: La Jolla, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted January 18, 2009 04:19 PM
Nice job Chris!Hey Bill, can you show us a picture of your Ellington patch? Thanks,
Andrew |
spaced out
Member Posts: 2223
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted January 18, 2009 05:19 PM
Bill - It would be great if you could email me a 100dpi front and back scan of that 'real' crew patch you have so I can add it to the site. I knew someone out there would have an example.In some ways I find it amazing that we can still discover new stuff now 40 years after the event. Mainly, however, it's due to more and more info going online, including photos that haven't been available before, and better resolution versions of those that we already had access to. There's still plenty of stuff to work out. What's really a shame is that it's almost impossible to work out who made what. That is something I can't really do with only online research. |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 365
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted January 18, 2009 05:56 PM
Real meaning the Ellington patch? I'll see what I can do - give me a couple days. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 2223
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted January 19, 2009 02:02 AM
Although the names are arbitrary I'll probably amend the site to refer to the patch they wore much of the time in the Mobile Quarantine Facility as the 'Quarantine' Crew Patch, and refer to the one they actually wore throughout the recovery process and later at their arrival at Ellington as the 'Recovery' Crew Patch.So Bill, it's a scan of the 'Recovery' Crew Patch that I'm after.  |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 658
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted January 19, 2009 04:19 AM
Looks like a variant-2 is now for sale on e-bay.Item number: 400025596978 ------------------
Jacques
www.spacepatches.nl |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 23493
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted January 19, 2009 09:42 AM
When I signed into My eBay this morning, under the display of recent searches by other users, the top three results were all combinations of the words "Apollo 12", "patch", "variant" and "embroidered". Chris, seems you're update has caught the attention of bidders! |
spaced out
Member Posts: 2223
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted January 19, 2009 10:45 AM
I could have held back until I got my hands on an example of the 'recovery' crew patch myself (probably would have only had to pay a few dollars for it too) but that wouldn't really have been fair.Or... maybe I just bought myself a box-full on eBay for a dollar and am planning to retire on the proceeds.  In any case I think we can expect a feeding frenzy the first time one of those turns up for sale. |
andrewcli
Member Posts: 327
From: La Jolla, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted January 19, 2009 11:19 AM
Do you think that Donnis' patch on ebay is the variant 2? Looks more like variant 1, the colors are less flat than what you would expect to see.Also I have a question, it appears that the backing for variant 1 and 3 are different. Variant 1 has a cheesecloth backing while 3 does not. Is it possible there were 2 makers despite the patches being overall the same? Maybe Jorge would kindly post scans of his variant 2 patch as a comparison? Just my 2 cents worth and I love causing Chris problems. Andrew |
benguttery
Member Posts: 497
From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted January 19, 2009 04:45 PM
Excellent study. Thanks.I have that unusual rare/flown version and Version 3 of the crew patch. They were all offered for sale locally by someone who must have known Alan Bean. Bean went to high school in Fort Worth and there was an Alan Bean Day, Parade, etc., after he returned from the moon. Also, in that sale were lots of covers signed by him and the crew and a beta cloth crew patch signed by all three. There were several embroidered patches present and I bought both those I mentioned above. That beta cloth patch is still out there somewhere with a $600 price tag on it. It's out there... keep looking. |
davidcwagner
Member Posts: 356
From: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted January 21, 2009 08:56 PM
I have an A-12 patch similar to the description on your website below: This is the earlier version of the Lion Brothers Apollo 12 patch. It has yellow horiztonal (sic on website) thread in the border. The lunar surface differs from the AB Emblem version and the wake behind the ship is thinner. [4" / 101mm] However on my A12 unhallmarked Lion Brothers Patch, the horizontal thread in the border is gold rather than the yellow. This appears to be the same type of thread on the radial gold thread hallmarked A12 Lion Brothers patch. The moon and star pattern are identical to the radial gold thread hallmarked A12 Lion Brothers patch. Also the blue field in the flag is just the lightest ghost. I have one with the horizontal yellow thread in the border also. Have you seen one of these before? David Wagner |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 365
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted January 29, 2009 07:14 PM
Hey Chris - check your e-mail. 300dpi scans of both the AP12 and AP9 patches are on the way!Bill |
spaced out
Member Posts: 2223
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted January 30, 2009 02:27 PM
Thanks Bill. The patch image is uploaded to the site. |
andrewcli
Member Posts: 327
From: La Jolla, CA, USA
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted January 30, 2009 04:48 PM
Nice patch Bill!
Andrew |
Voyager1975
Member Posts: 188
From:
Registered: Dec 2008
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posted February 11, 2009 02:39 PM
So the current AB Emblem Apollo 12 patch that they have out everywhere, is that a variant that was worn at one point by the Apollo 12 astronauts? |
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