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Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-12-2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just as Richard Garriott's personal mission patch borrowed elements from his father's Skylab II insignia, the ISS Ladies design was developed from Ardis Shanks' Skylab II "Wives" patch art from 1973.

The names on the patch represent the women close to the six space explorers who will share space on the International Space Station for nine days:

  • Yuri Lonchakov's wife, Tatiana
  • Richard Garriott's girlfriend, Kelly
  • Mike Fincke's wife, Renita
  • Sergei Volkov's wife, Natalia
  • Greg Chamitoff's wife, Chantal
  • Oleg Konenenko's wife, Tatiana

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posted 10-12-2008 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShuttleDiscovery   Click Here to Email ShuttleDiscovery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool! Nice idea.

butch wilks
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posted 10-13-2008 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope they put out Richard Garriott's and the TMA-13 Ardis Shank's ISS Ladies patch as they will look good as a set with the Skylab 2 and Wives patches that I have now, and they would add to the fun of the missions they where made for.

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posted 10-19-2008 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice workstation he has there!

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posted 10-21-2008 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The patch looks good on that work station. Do I see an original wives patch on there too or is it the Skylab 2 patch?

I think it's a credit to Ardis for using parts of the original patch to make the new one; it adds to the old Skylab's history and keep it going on to the ISS.

As a side note, has the ISS got some items from Skylab on board, as with the two items from the ATV, i.e. the two manuscripts by Jules Verne?

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posted 10-21-2008 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by butch wilks:
Do I see an original wives patch on there too or is it the Skylab 2 patch?
Given the two outstretched arms, I believe that is the Skylab II patch.
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As a side note, has the ISS got some items from Skylab on board...
Yes, see: Astronaut's son reboots dad's work in orbit

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posted 10-21-2008 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is a close up, provided by Space Adventures. Yes, it is the Skylab II patch, next to a sticker or embroidered version of the ISS Ladies Patch. By the way, Richard was not part of the designing process. Ardis worked on this with my good friend Jacques van Oene. They came up with the idea after Ardis had shared with Jacques pictures of Richard wearing the original Skylab Wives patch during his first Soyuz training. Jorge Cartes from Spain prepared the digital artwork.

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posted 10-22-2008 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was funny collaborating in this project. Thanks to all of you.

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posted 10-22-2008 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do think the patch looks fantastic. So well done to all of you on the new design of the ladies patch.

I've had a number of emails from Ardis on the new ladies patch and I thank her for them. It's a honour to have emails from her.

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posted 10-23-2008 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MARKW   Click Here to Email MARKW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know when these patches will be available?

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posted 06-20-2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally, I got a hand on a Richard Garriott produced patch.

You can see it and read all of the design process of the TMA-13 Ladies patch at Spacepatches.nl.

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posted 06-21-2009 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info, it helps out with the patch's background.

I'm still looking to got one of the patches but have had no luck so far, hope to get one one day. But if someone on here has one I can have send me an e-mail.

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posted 06-30-2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stebur   Click Here to Email stebur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too, would be very interested in adding a genuine TMA-13 / ISS Ladies Patch to my collection. Can anyone out there advise me how I can obtain one of these rarities?

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I have been extremely fortunate and have managed to secure a genuine rare TMA-13/ISS Ladies Patch to add to my collection. The seller has a very limited number of further examples of this scarce rarity for sale. If anyone is interested in procuring one of these, please contact me off-line and I will be pleased to forward your enquiry to the person concerned.

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posted 07-23-2009 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sathrus   Click Here to Email sathrus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to get the Ladies TMA-13 patch. How do I get in touch with you to get one?

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posted 07-24-2009 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was contacted because of my interest in that patch. If I am understanding it correctly one patch would cost $300.

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posted 07-24-2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice. Jacques/Erik (with Ardis knowledge) and me made the artwork... Someone made the US patch. Who is making the money? Not we.

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posted 07-24-2009 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I believe the recent patch sales are stemming from Ardis, per a recent note from her.

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posted 07-24-2009 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK then. She has all the rights. Nothing to say. (This is my point of view) I'm sorry.

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posted 07-24-2009 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JFS61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to be negative, but that seems just a bit steep, considering the original Skylab II ladies patch I picked up a couple of years ago only cost me $150.00.

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posted 07-25-2009 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jorge, I actually played no role in this patch. It was you, Jacques and Ardis. You must feel bad your work was no longer needed, but that your digital drawing was still used by people you were not working with, for the flight products. One consolation though: on the stickers, they forgot to remove the initials AJJ (Ardis, Jacques, Jorge). I once saw an example of the official sticker (not even far away from here) with only an 'A'. Close inspection of the image revealed that a red pen was used to make the two J's invisible.

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posted 07-25-2009 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I don't want to speak out of turn, but I believe the recent patch sales are stemming from Ardis, per a recent note from her.
The only thing I can say is this: I'm even more disappointed in Ardis then I already was, now she is making money out of this patch, very sad....

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posted 07-25-2009 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Erik.

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posted 07-25-2009 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you who are unaware of what happened: Jacques, under the impression this patch was a surprise for the crew, spent hundreds of dollars producing proof versions and stickers from Jorge's artwork. The reason: he admires Ardis and her Skylab Wives patch and wanted to help her realize this idea. Jacques and Ardis would share the costs.

Jacques had already arranged with his Russian contacts that 6 patches would fly secretly to the ISS, when Ardis decided to have the patches made in the USA and have Richard take them to space himself. She probably had good reasons to do this, but it made the patch unavailable for the general collector.

I doubt the seller of the $300 patch is Ardis herself. In a recent e-mail, she told me she had not even received a real US-made patch herself. Despite of what happened, I think that is a real shame. On the other hand, it also shows that this patch is REALLY rare indeed and might be worth something.

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Ardis did not have patches made: Richard did. He explained to me that as his flight quickly approached and he didn't have patches, he became concerned they would run out of time and so had the same source that made his mission patches create them.

(Richard made no mention of Jacques' patches flying, so I am not sure he was ever aware they did.)

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Ardis and Jacques and Jorge started the design of the patch together, without Richard's involvement. Jacques' first patches were embroidered and stickers printed only a few weeks later, so time was never a factor. Ardis did see scans of both of them, so she knew they were ready in time. It was only then that she turned 180 degrees. Whatever the reason, she could have credited Jorge and Jacques for helping her with the design, instead of wiping out the AJJ and write a big 'Ardis' on it.

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posted 07-25-2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ardis has asked me to clarify a few points that were raised.

She says she did not know about Jorge's involvement until after Jacques sent her a proof that included the initials 'AJJ', at which point he explained Jorge's role.

She says she received several proofs from Jacques and they did not say 'ARDIS'. She recalls her agreement with Jacques was that he would be in charge of promoting the patch, but when he "started saying it was his patch" and refused to write her name on the design, she contacted Richard.

She gave the insignia to Richard and told him that she would order patches and sell those.

Most importantly though, she doesn't want to be at odds with anyone.

"All this is really water over the damn. It is time to move on. I am not angry at Jacques and never was."

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posted 07-25-2009 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well... anyway you like, Jacques and I made the artwork. No one can refuse it. That is all for me.

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posted 07-25-2009 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fair enough Robert. Good to see Ardis' side of the story here. Probably, there was just a lot of miscommunication, combined with some space fever and ghosts from the past.

Most important fact, and I know I also speak for my friends Jacques and Jorge, is that the patch indeed made it into space. All parties involved know what contributions they made and that is something to be proud of, regardless of who is selling what version for what money with what name on it.

One final thing on the subject from me, although I risk being naive: I hope Ardis finally got her original patch too. If not, I hope someone will take care of that.

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posted 07-25-2009 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
Well... anyway you like, Jacques and I made the artwork. No one can refuse it. That is all for me.
That is why I put AJJ on the art because Ardis, Me and Jorge worked on the design... so it could never be only Ardis, and all three names would do the patch no good. I told Ardis that but she wanted her name on something that was not hers (and I never said it was my patch we agreed on doing this 50-50).

Anyway I do not want to talk about this anymore, this has become far more now than just a fun project that it started with and in the end the design flew in space and that was what it was supposed to do...

Richard was happy with it, Richard's mother was happy with it, I only do not now what the other five crew members thought of it and what the six ladies thought of the patch. And most important if they all received a patch. I hope one day to find out...

For me end of discussion.

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