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Topic: ISS Expedition 17 insignia
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Robert Pearlman
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posted October 15, 2007 05:26 PM
   
Expedition 17   Expedition 17 commander Sergei Volkov and Flight Engineer Oleg Kononenko will launch to the station aboard Soyuz TMA-12 in Spring 2008. Expedition 16 flight engineer Garrett Reisman, who will already be aboard the station, will join the Expedition 17 crew after they arrive. On STS-124, Discovery will deliver NASA astronaut Gregory Chamitoff to the station. He will replace Reisman as Expedition 17 flight engineer. Sandra Magnus, who launches on Endeavour's STS-126 mission, will in turn replace Chamitoff as the fifth and final member of the ISS 17 crew. IP: Logged |
NavySpaceFan
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From: Norfolk, VA
Registered: May 2007
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posted October 15, 2007 07:37 PM
Another nice one!!!IP: Logged |
Tom
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posted October 15, 2007 09:44 PM
Any idea what the 19 stars represent (20 counting the larger one)? Thanks.IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12951
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posted October 16, 2007 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Tom:
Any idea what the 19 stars represent (20 counting the larger one)?
NASA posted today the insignia and its description to their website (four different versions: three crews and the nameless edition), but the symbolism behind 19 of the 20 stars is left unexplained: quote:
The Expedition 17 patch is meant to celebrate current human achievements in space as well as symbolize the future potential for continuing exploration. The Earth, represented at the bottom of the patch, is the base from which all space exploration activities initiate. The International Space Station (ISS), shown in low Earth orbit, illustrates the current level of space operations. The arrow and star point outwards, away from the Earth, towards the wider universe indicating the direction of future activities as human beings build on what has already been accomplished. The flags, representing the home countries of the crew members, Russia and the United States, are touching, highlighting the cooperative nature of the space program and symbolizing the merger of science and technical knowledge of these two experienced space-faring nations.
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Mike Z
Member Posts: 170
From: Ellicott City, Maryland
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted October 16, 2007 07:08 PM
Selfishly speaking, I'd like it better if they just had one patch. I found it a pain trying to get each Expedition 15 patch. However, I appreciate each Astronaut and Cosmonaut for wanting their name on a patch. They all train and work very hard to get on a mission and then all the training and learning they all must do after being named to a mission. Being away from home for six months and all the things we take for granted like going out to breathe fresh air, taking a shower and going out to a restaurant.Mike Z IP: Logged |
JGJ
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Registered: Feb 2007
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posted October 16, 2007 10:41 PM
Well, I'm more inclined to get either the nameless or all-name versions without any of the transition types.IP: Logged |
Moonbase_Alphan
Member Posts: 24
From: Space City, Texas
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted October 23, 2007 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
NASA posted today the insignia and its description to their website (four different versions: three crews and the nameless edition)
The Reisman version has just been slightly modified to center the name a bit better on the right hand side:  IP: Logged |
FutureAstronaut
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Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 23, 2007 08:19 PM
I don't know where I had read this, but I was under the impression that all American/Russian joint missions that included flags had to have the American flag on the left. Does anyone know of this? it may be for just shuttle patches. ------------------
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KSCartist
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Registered: Feb 2005
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posted November 24, 2007 04:49 AM
Mike the exception to this rule may be because the Commander of this Expedition is a Russian, Sergei Volkov. Not to mention they launch aboard the Soyuz.Obviously on a shuttle mission patch, the vehicle is built in the US and the CDR is always an American so our protocol for displaying the colors is observed. Tim IP: Logged |
ShuttleDiscovery
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posted March 19, 2008 01:17 PM
(Cropped from JSC2008-E-027004)Interesting that they're wearing the patch with just Reisman & Chamitoff. I suppose with STS-126 launching during(?) the October Soyuz flight Magnus won't really be part of Expedition 17... IP: Logged |
PowerCat
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From: Herington, KS, USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted March 28, 2008 02:04 PM
AB Emblem shows the Expedition 17 patch is available on their web site. The design has no crew names.PowerCat IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 234
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posted March 29, 2008 01:51 PM
Interesting... the obvious question is: Are they going to have the other versions available as well, like they did with the Expedition 15 patch?------------------
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ShuttleDiscovery
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posted March 29, 2008 01:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Hunt:
Interesting... the obvious question is: Are they going to have the other versions available as well, like they did with the Expedition 15 patch?
Probably...IP: Logged |
KSCartist
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posted March 30, 2008 04:01 AM
It looks like STS-126 may not fly until December due to the 125 ET tanks delaying that mission until October. If that turns out to be the case, then Magnus won't be a member of Exp 17 but instead Exp 18. Tim IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
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From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted March 30, 2008 07:09 AM
And have a look at the "e" in KONONeNKO name on NASA's site. All the images had the wrong "e" instead the capital one "E" as seen on the patch...  Cheers.
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Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 234
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Registered: Oct 2002
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posted March 31, 2008 11:21 AM
Okay... so this is interesting. I just got a response from AB Emblem about the Exp 17 patches. They apparently didn't make them for NASA, but they're stocking them. So now the question is, who DID make them, and will the other versions be available?------------------
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Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 144
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted March 31, 2008 01:12 PM
Some minutes ago I received an answer from AB that they made Exp.17 patches with 3 and 4 names for NASA but these will not be stocked and therefore will not be available for the public. Looks like that only the patch with no names will be available.Did amyone order this new patch from AB in the meantime? Best wishes,
Harald
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lucspace
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From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted March 31, 2008 01:24 PM
I did, and received the reply the EXP 17 (and STS-124) patches won't be available for another 4 weeks...Luc IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 157
From: Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted March 31, 2008 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Harald Kraenzel:
Did amyone order this new patch from AB in the meantime?
I did it too, like Luc, and received same answer. They won't be available for 3-4 weeks.Jorge IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 144
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Registered: Nov 2005
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posted March 31, 2008 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
They won't be available for 3-4 weeks.
Looks like we got the same answer. Thanks a lot,Harald
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Bill Hunt
Member Posts: 234
From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted March 31, 2008 07:02 PM
Strange. I've gotten a second e-mail now saying that AB did make them, but confirming what you guys are reporting - that only the no-name version will be available and they won't be ready for 3-4 weeks. D'oh!------------------
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Mike Z
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Registered: Dec 2005
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posted March 31, 2008 11:29 PM
I was wondering what other patch collectors are thinking knowing that we may not be able to get the Expedition-17 patches with the Astronaut's names. I personally find it very disapointing since patches were always the one thing we could count on getting for every mission and were always affordable. Mike Z IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
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Registered: Oct 2002
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posted April 01, 2008 02:21 AM
I feel the same. The bottom line is that I want patches as worn by the astronauts during the mission. That's kind of the whole point. I don't want a generic mission patch, I want the same patches the crew have. If they can produce the different versions for Expedition 15, why can't they do the same for Exp 17?------------------
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aerospace educator
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posted April 01, 2008 08:14 AM
It is times like this that make me miss Randy Hunt the most. If he was alive, we would have every version of the Expedition 17 patch available.IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
Member Posts: 157
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Registered: Oct 2005
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posted April 01, 2008 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by aerospace educator:
It is times like this that make me miss Randy Hunt the most.
I agree with you. Without considering any other questions, we would have all the patch versions. (I miss him in many moments  ).Jorge.
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ShuttleDiscovery
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posted April 01, 2008 12:07 PM
Maybe they're just making one version with no names so they don't have the risk of wasting money making patches with the name of a particular crew member who never launched in time for that expedition due to delays (like Tani for example), or if they got replaced by a back-up crewmember for whatever reason. I too would like them to produce every version of the Expedition 17 patch but it makes sense just to make one with no names as it cheaper for the manufacturer and the buyer... IP: Logged |
Mike Z
Member Posts: 170
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Registered: Dec 2005
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posted April 01, 2008 01:06 PM
I received an e-mail from Randy's wife Linda and she said she was going to try to keep the business going and learn how to list on ebay. I e-mailed her several months later and never got a reply. I didn't want to bother her. Also I found one of the patch makers Randy used a lot, Florida Embroidered Patch and they seemed interested in continuing to make the patches. I didn't have any luck hearing from them again.I wish I had the resources to help. Mike Z IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
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posted April 01, 2008 03:21 PM
I believe that AB Emblem's minimum count for custom orders is 50 pieces. Given that they have already produced the design (with names) for NASA, it should be fairly simple for them to turnaround the Expedition 17 insignia with names without the need for a set-up fee. Are there 50 among us who want patches (or at least orders to substantiate 50 patches)? If so, all someone needs to do is to collect the money, place the order and handle fulfillment. Any volunteers? IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
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posted April 01, 2008 04:16 PM
I'm not the most representative of us, living in Spain, but if anyone begins this collect... I would be glad to get one of all names patch. (Or, if needed to help the project, one of each one - 3, 4 and 5 names). The no names one is now waiting on AB customers pending list. Cheers. Jorge. IP: Logged |
ShuttleDiscovery
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posted April 01, 2008 04:35 PM
I'm from UK, but I'd definitely get all 3 patches (1, 2 & 3 names)...IP: Logged |
Mike Z
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posted April 01, 2008 06:44 PM
I too want to get all three patches!! I sure hope there will be more who want the patches.Mike Z IP: Logged |
KSCartist
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posted April 02, 2008 07:48 AM
Robert-I step forward to accept this assignment. There needs to be some ground rules that everyone will have to abide by. - I will have to check with AB as to the price per patch. (Since it will be a limited edition)
- Will Jacques van Oene agree to handle orders from across the pond?
- We will have to agree on the format, ie:
a patch with "Reisman" alone?
a patch with "Reisman and Chamitoff"
(I don't think Sandy Magnus will fly on this Expedition) - Do we need a "cS" hallmark to identify this patch as our own little project?
- I will accept personal checks from only those who I have done prior business with. All others must send M.O. or Cashier's Checks.
I will post back when I have news from AB.Tim IP: Logged |
aerospace educator
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posted April 02, 2008 08:38 AM
Will you accept payment through PayPal?IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
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posted April 02, 2008 09:57 AM
Tim, I don't see any reason for a hallmark in this case as its not a custom design. AB has already produced these patches for the crew. We are just ordering more of them.I would also suggest, in part to simplify matters for you, that we only concern ourselves with the named version as will be worn by Volkov, Kononenko and Reisman at the start of Expedition 17. We can always return to AB if and when other versions emerge. IP: Logged |
Bill Hunt
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posted April 02, 2008 10:31 AM
A hallmark, while a good idea, might complicate the process since AB has already completed runs of this design with 3 and 4 names. Not adding a hallmark would presumably mean that production could likely begin as soon as the order was taken - there would be no artwork or setup modifications needed. So I'd suggest having AB produce for us 2 versions - the one with 3 names and the one with 4 names, as produced already for NASA.I'm certainly in for 2 of each. And thank you Tim for stepping forward on this. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we greatly appreciate it. ------------------
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KSCartist
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posted April 02, 2008 10:32 AM
I agree Robert. This way if Chamitoff's launch slips to the right we won't waste our time producing something that isn't true.But if we look at the image posted above, I see a patch with both Russians and two Americans. Is that the patch they (the Russians) will wear on launch day? Also what about the "small e" capital E in Kononenko's name? Which is correct? Sorry Educator I don't do PayPal. You'll find that while I am a passionate space program supporter, I'm a pretty simple guy. Tim IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
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posted April 02, 2008 10:34 AM
I checked with AB today and received the following answer: quote:
Our minimum order is 50 pcs. each design and I will have to turn you over to a salesperson for a quote if you are interested in a quotation.These have been published and are public domain, so I guess we could. As a side note, I've never seen the one with 5 names on it, and NASA says they aren't going to use the 4 name since the 4 people will only be "together" on the ISS for maybe 3 days.
(The last sentence is because I attached three pictures including the one with 5 names.)Thanks,
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ShuttleDiscovery
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posted April 02, 2008 10:56 AM
Would you accept if I send you the money for the patches (in USD) in the post, as being 13 I can't think of any other way of paying. I have a debit card but I don't think it would work out in these circumstances...IP: Logged |
KAPTEC
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posted April 02, 2008 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Also what about the "small e" capital E in Kononenko's name? Which is correct?
Tim, the capital letter in cyrillic is "E" and all the letters in the patch are capitals. I think the "e" was a mistake of design. Jorge IP: Logged |
Harald Kraenzel
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posted April 02, 2008 01:27 PM
Tim, because you are in contact with AB I will wait regarding further steps. I think we should not run parallel queries.Harald IP: Logged |
