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Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 23493 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999	posted October 15, 2007 05:26 PM Expedition 17 insignia Expedition 17 commander Sergei Volkov and Flight Engineer Oleg Kononenko will launch to the station aboard Soyuz TMA-12 in Spring 2008. Expedition 16 flight engineer Garrett Reisman, who will already be aboard the station, will join the Expedition 17 crew after they arrive. On STS-124, Discovery will deliver NASA astronaut Gregory Chamitoff to the station. He will replace Reisman as Expedition 17 flight engineer. Sandra Magnus, who launches on Endeavour's STS-126 mission, will in turn replace Chamitoff as the fifth and final member of the ISS 17 crew.
NavySpaceFan Member Posts: 582 From: Norfolk, VA Registered: May 2007	posted October 15, 2007 07:37 PM Another nice one!!!
Tom Member Posts: 1127 From: New York Registered: Nov 2000	posted October 15, 2007 09:44 PM Any idea what the 19 stars represent (20 counting the larger one)? Thanks.
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 23493 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999	posted October 16, 2007 03:22 PM NASA posted today the insignia and its description to their website (four different versions: three crews and the nameless edition), but the symbolism behind 19 of the 20 stars is left unexplained: The Expedition 17 patch is meant to celebrate current human achievements in space as well as symbolize the future potential for continuing exploration. The Earth, represented at the bottom of the patch, is the base from which all space exploration activities initiate. The International Space Station (ISS), shown in low Earth orbit, illustrates the current level of space operations. The arrow and star point outwards, away from the Earth, towards the wider universe indicating the direction of future activities as human beings build on what has already been accomplished. The flags, representing the home countries of the crew members, Russia and the United States, are touching, highlighting the cooperative nature of the space program and symbolizing the merger of science and technical knowledge of these two experienced space-faring nations.
Mike Z Member Posts: 384 From: Ellicott City, Maryland Registered: Dec 2005	posted October 16, 2007 07:08 PM Selfishly speaking, I'd like it better if they just had one patch. I found it a pain trying to get each Expedition 15 patch. However, I appreciate each Astronaut and Cosmonaut for wanting their name on a patch. They all train and work very hard to get on a mission and then all the training and learning they all must do after being named to a mission. Being away from home for six months and all the things we take for granted like going out to breathe fresh air, taking a shower and going out to a restaurant.
JGJ Member Posts: 35 From: USA Registered: Feb 2007	posted October 16, 2007 10:41 PM Well, I'm more inclined to get either the nameless or all-name versions without any of the transition types.
Moonbase_Alphan Member Posts: 36 From: Space City, Texas Registered: Dec 2006	posted October 23, 2007 03:44 PM The Reisman version has just been slightly modified to center the name a bit better on the right hand side:
FutureAstronaut Member Posts: 372 From: East Northport, NY Registered: Mar 2006	posted November 23, 2007 08:19 PM I don't know where I had read this, but I was under the impression that all American/Russian joint missions that included flags had to have the American flag on the left. Does anyone know of this? it may be for just shuttle patches.
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted November 24, 2007 04:49 AM Mike the exception to this rule may be because the Commander of this Expedition is a Russian, Sergei Volkov. Not to mention they launch aboard the Soyuz. Obviously on a shuttle mission patch, the vehicle is built in the US and the CDR is always an American so our protocol for displaying the colors is observed.
ShuttleDiscovery Member Posts: 152 From: Registered: Feb 2007	posted March 19, 2008 01:17 PM Cropped from JSC2008-E-027004 Interesting that they're wearing the patch with just Reisman and Chamitoff. I suppose with STS-126 launching during (?) the October Soyuz flight Magnus won't really be part of Expedition 17...
PowerCat Member Posts: 137 From: Herington, KS, USA Registered: Feb 2006	posted March 28, 2008 02:04 PM AB Emblem shows the Expedition 17 patch is available on their website. The design has no crew names.
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted March 29, 2008 01:51 PM Interesting... the obvious question is: Are they going to have the other versions available as well, like they did with the Expedition 15 patch?
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted March 30, 2008 04:01 AM It looks like STS-126 may not fly until December due to the 125 ET tanks delaying that mission until October. If that turns out to be the case, then Magnus won't be a member of Expedition 17 but instead Expedition 18.
KAPTEC Member Posts: 406 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005	posted March 30, 2008 07:09 AM And have a look at the "e" in KONONeNKO name on NASA's site. All the images had the wrong "e" instead the capital one "E" as seen on the patch...
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted March 31, 2008 11:21 AM Okay... so this is interesting. I just got a response from AB Emblem about the Exp 17 patches. They apparently didn't make them for NASA, but they're stocking them. So now the question is, who DID make them, and will the other versions be available?
Harald Kraenzel Member Posts: 253 From: Dinslaken,Germany Registered: Nov 2005	posted March 31, 2008 01:12 PM Some minutes ago I received an answer from AB that they made Expedition 17 patches with three and four names for NASA but these will not be stocked and therefore will not be available for the public. Looks like that only the patch with no names will be available. Did anyone order this new patch from AB in the meantime?
lucspace Member Posts: 224 From: Hilversum, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2003	posted March 31, 2008 01:24 PM I did, and received the reply the Expedition 17 patches won't be available for another four weeks...
KAPTEC Member Posts: 406 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005	posted March 31, 2008 02:39 PM I did it too, like Luc, and received same answer. They won't be available for three to four weeks.
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted March 31, 2008 07:02 PM Strange. I've gotten a second e-mail now saying that AB did make them, but confirming what you guys are reporting - that only the no-name version will be available and they won't be ready for three to four weeks. D'oh!
Mike Z Member Posts: 384 From: Ellicott City, Maryland Registered: Dec 2005	posted March 31, 2008 11:29 PM I was wondering what other patch collectors are thinking knowing that we may not be able to get the Expedition 17 patches with the astronauts' names. I personally find it very disapointing since patches were always the one thing we could count on getting for every mission and were always affordable.
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted April 01, 2008 02:21 AM I feel the same. The bottom line is that I want patches as worn by the astronauts during the mission. That's kind of the whole point. I don't want a generic mission patch, I want the same patches the crew have. If they can produce the different versions for Expedition 15, why can't they do the same for Expedition 17?
ShuttleDiscovery Member Posts: 152 From: Registered: Feb 2007	posted April 01, 2008 12:07 PM Maybe they're just making one version with no names so they don't have the risk of wasting money making patches with the name of a particular crew member who never launched in time for that expedition due to delays (like Tani for example), or if they got replaced by a back-up crewmember for whatever reason. I too would like them to produce every version of the Expedition 17 patch but it makes sense just to make one with no names as it cheaper for the manufacturer and the buyer...
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 23493 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999	posted April 01, 2008 03:21 PM I believe that AB Emblem's minimum count for custom orders is 50 pieces. Given that they have already produced the design (with names) for NASA, it should be fairly simple for them to turnaround the Expedition 17 insignia with names without the need for a set-up fee. Are there 50 among us who want patches (or at least orders to substantiate 50 patches)? If so, all someone needs to do is to collect the money, place the order and handle fulfillment. Any volunteers?
KAPTEC Member Posts: 406 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005	posted April 01, 2008 04:16 PM I'm not the most representative of us, living in Spain, but if anyone begins this collect... I would be glad to get one of all names patch. (Or, if needed to help the project, one of each one - three, four and five names). The no names one is now waiting on AB customers pending list.
ShuttleDiscovery Member Posts: 152 From: Registered: Feb 2007	posted April 01, 2008 04:35 PM I'm from UK, but I'd definitely get all three patches (one, two and three names)...
Mike Z Member Posts: 384 From: Ellicott City, Maryland Registered: Dec 2005	posted April 01, 2008 06:44 PM I too want to get all three patches!! I sure hope there will be more who want the patches.
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted April 02, 2008 07:48 AM I step forward to accept this assignment. There needs to be some ground rules that everyone will have to abide by. I will have to check with AB as to the price per patch (since it will be a limited edition). Will Jacques van Oene agree to handle orders from across the pond? We will have to agree on the format, ie: a patch with "Reisman" alone? a patch with "Reisman and Chamitoff" (I don't think Sandy Magnus will fly on this Expedition) Do we need a "cS" hallmark to identify this patch as our own little project? I will accept personal checks from only those who I have done prior business with. All others must send M.O. or Cashier's Checks. I will post back when I have news from AB.
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 23493 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999	posted April 02, 2008 09:57 AM I don't see any reason for a hallmark in this case as its not a custom design. AB has already produced these patches for the crew. We are just ordering more of them. I would also suggest, in part to simplify matters for you, that we only concern ourselves with the named version as will be worn by Volkov, Kononenko and Reisman at the start of Expedition 17. We can always return to AB if and when other versions emerge.
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted April 02, 2008 10:31 AM A hallmark, while a good idea, might complicate the process since AB has already completed runs of this design with three and four names. Not adding a hallmark would presumably mean that production could likely begin as soon as the order was taken - there would be no artwork or setup modifications needed. So I'd suggest having AB produce for us two versions - the one with three names and the one with four names, as produced already for NASA. I'm certainly in for two of each. And thank you Tim for stepping forward on this. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we greatly appreciate it.
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted April 02, 2008 10:32 AM I agree Robert. This way if Chamitoff's launch slips to the right we won't waste our time producing something that isn't true. But if we look at the image posted above, I see a patch with both Russians and two Americans. Is that the patch they (the Russians) will wear on launch day? Also what about the "small e" capital E in Kononenko's name? Which is correct?
Harald Kraenzel Member Posts: 253 From: Dinslaken,Germany Registered: Nov 2005	posted April 02, 2008 10:34 AM I checked with AB today and received the following answer: Our minimum order is 50 pcs. each design and I will have to turn you over to a salesperson for a quote if you are interested in a quotation. These have been published and are public domain, so I guess we could. As a side note, I've never seen the one with 5 names on it, and NASA says they aren't going to use the 4 name since the 4 people will only be "together" on the ISS for maybe 3 days. (The last sentence is because I attached three pictures including the one with five names.)
KAPTEC Member Posts: 406 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005	posted April 02, 2008 11:55 AM quote: Originally posted by KSCartist: Also what about the "small e" capital E in Kononenko's name? Which is correct? Tim, the capital letter in cyrillic is "E" and all the letters in the patch are capitals. I think the "e" was a mistake of design.
Harald Kraenzel Member Posts: 253 From: Dinslaken,Germany Registered: Nov 2005	posted April 02, 2008 01:27 PM Tim, because you are in contact with AB I will wait regarding further steps. I think we should not run parallel queries.
Jacques van Oene Member Posts: 658 From: Houten, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2001	posted April 02, 2008 04:00 PM quote: Originally posted by KSCartist: Will Jacques van Oene agree to handle orders from across the pond? Yes I will... And I note that I think it is best to only make the patches with astronauts/cosmonauts names that fly and live aboard ISS during April-October 2008, Expedition 17... quote: But if we look at the image posted above, I see a patch with both Russians and two Americans. Is that the patch they (the Russians) will wear on launch day? If the crew of Soyuz TMA-12 wears that patch on launch day, it will go into space on a Sokol suit, and I think we should make it...
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted April 02, 2008 04:09 PM I received some feedback from AB Emblem. The 4 name crew patch has been rejected by the astronaut office at this time. You can only order the 2 images I sent to you. (Both of those images had either Reisman or Chamitoff opposite the two Russians.) The "e" version is the approved version by the astronaut office. (Referring to the spelling of Kononenko in the image at the top of this thread.) Based on the quote I received I can charge $5 each for these patches and that should cover mailing expenses. If all of this is agreeable to everyone I will accept orders for the entire month of April. I would very much appreciate it if you would include a self addressed envelope with your payment. On April 30th (if we have met the minimum) I will cash the checks and place the order. Per the quote it should take 25 days for production and then they will be shipped to me. So if this schedule holds I will not receive them until the third week of May. To be clear - we are talking about the three name patch: Volkov, Kononenko and Reisman, as pictured below. The four name patch you see in the Soyuz crew photo on the NASA website is not available at this time.
KAPTEC Member Posts: 406 From: Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2005	posted April 02, 2008 04:42 PM quote: Originally posted by KSCartist: The "e" version is the approved version by the astronaut office. Yes! I'm sorry: both Russian names are wrote in small letters and only Americans are in capitals. So the correct "e" is that one.
Bill Hunt Member Posts: 365 From: Irvine, CA Registered: Oct 2002	posted April 02, 2008 05:23 PM So the official version the crew will wear is three names only? Will it have the little dot next to Reisman's name like the patch pictured, or is that an error? So to make sure I have this right, there will be TWO official versions of the patch - three names and the no-name version already being sold by AB, is that correct?
aerospace educator unregistered	posted April 02, 2008 06:03 PM Am I correct in assuming that Reisman's name will be near the top right of the patch as shown in the NASA image?
KSCartist Member Posts: 2300 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted April 02, 2008 06:12 PM The patch should look like the image I posted. I think the "dot" next to Reisman's name is there in error and I'll point that out to AB before we order. Bill, that's why I asked AB about the names. I'll be interested to see what patch is on the Sokol and attached to the wall of the ISS. Then we'll know the answer.
MSS Member Posts: 292 From: Kolo, Poland Registered: May 2003	posted April 03, 2008 12:16 AM quote: Originally posted by aerospace educator: Am I correct in assuming that Reisman's name will be near the top right of the patch as shown in the NASA image? Yes, it's wrong patch. I have a correct patch with Reisman name in hi-res file from JSC photo archive! I have writen to them to correct this file... but they didn't yet.

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