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Topic: Ansari's personal patches in the news
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Scott
Member Posts: 3112
From: Houston, TX
Registered: May 2001
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posted September 20, 2006 08:53 AM
   
Tim, it sure does look like white-out, doesn't it? I'll bet that it accidentally gets scratched or flaked off - no telling all the switches and other items a newbie astronaut bumps into while floating around up there - heh heh. Will be interesting to see what the patch looks like after landing. IP: Logged |
ejectr
Member Posts: 897
From: Brimfield, MA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 20, 2006 10:49 AM
What an incredibly backward demand from supposedly futuristic and forward thinking people.IP: Logged |
pargoo
Member Posts: 29
From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2005
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posted September 20, 2006 11:59 PM
The RUSSIANS? They're possibly the most anal-retentive bunch of knuckle-draggers on the planet. The Cold War ended HOW long ago? - and we *still* haven't been allowed into their photo archives. You patch collectors are in clover compared to photo-collectors like me  IP: Logged |
johntosullivan
Member Posts: 64
From: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted September 21, 2006 04:54 AM
I see that the patch also highlights the country of Iran on the map of the earth.
How come they didn't demand that be obscured as well?
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ejectr
Member Posts: 897
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Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 21, 2006 06:08 AM
I believe the demand was from NASA and the Russians, so we must have some anal retentive knuckle draggers of our own as well.IP: Logged |
John K. Rochester
Member Posts: 1222
From: Rochester, NY, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 21, 2006 10:47 AM
I like how they anal-retentively knuckle-dragged their space program to accomplish almost every first in space.IP: Logged |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 2024
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 21, 2006 11:29 AM
Russian firsts:
first satellite
first man in space
first woman in space
first multi-crew mission
first EVAUSA firsts:
first rendezvous in space
first docking in space
first (and only) flight to the moon
first (and only) moon landing
first (and only) launch from the moon
first (and only) lunar EVA...with all of the other assorted firsts that go along with it
first reuseable spacecraft
first capture and repair of satellites in orbit I know I'm leaving off several firsts on both sides, but I don't think the Russians have any dominance on "firsts"...or certainly not "almost every first in space." Their big advantage was an early string of highly publicized firsts. But I would argue the America space program passed by the Russians as early as late 1965, when they performed the first rendezvous in space. After that, it was mostly an American dominance on the important firsts. But I also don't view the Russians as anally rententive either.  [Edited by mjanovec (September 21, 2006).] IP: Logged |
John K. Rochester
Member Posts: 1222
From: Rochester, NY, USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Mjanovec.. Of course you are correct. I was just trying to indicate that they weren't as doofus like as pargoo was stating ( and I don't believe he was being serious as it was ). Although they did kick our behinds there in the beginning days of space exploration.. By the way: ( I know I dont have to tell you..) Soviets did fly to the moon, land, rove, and return samples......it just wasn't done with manned vehicles IP: Logged |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 2024
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 21, 2006 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by John K. Rochester:
By the way: ( I know I dont have to tell you..) Soviets did fly to the moon, land, rove, and return samples......it just wasn't done with manned vehicles
You're right. I should have put "manned" in front of the firsts such as lunar flights, landings, etc. It was what I intended to do (but forgot). Looking back it could appear as if I was saying we were the only ones to fly to the moon, land, and return. [Edited by mjanovec (September 21, 2006).] IP: Logged |
Omid
New Member Posts: 1
From: san rafael, ca, us
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted September 21, 2006 01:54 PM
I was curious as to what gives NASA the authority to ask a person who has paid $20 million for their space flight to the INTERNATIONAL Space Station on a RUSSIAN rocket to remove their country of origin's flag from their own uniform. This is typical, mean spirited, political Neo-Con BS that I think people need to really speak up about before we sink to the level of the nazis & the religious right. Let's at least prevent this disease from creeping its way into Space exploration. Assuming her removal of only the Green band from the flag patch is true and not just graphics editing  , I thought this was clever on Anousheh Ansari's part, since most Iranians would agree with that move regardles of the NASA b.s.. Omid,
Engineer/Trekie [Edited by Omid (September 21, 2006).] IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted September 21, 2006 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Omid:
I was curious as to what gives NASA the authority to ask a person who has paid $20 million for their space flight to the INTERNATIONAL Space Station on a RUSSIAN rocket to remove their country of origin's flag from their own uniform.
Again, the removal of the flag was made on the demand of both Roscosmos and NASA, according to Anousheh Ansari's husband and brother-in-law (see up-thread for exact quote). Reportedly, the Russian space program was more concerned about the Iranian symbols than was their U.S. counterparts, but that — at the moment — is just hearsay.As to what gives NASA the general right to comment on SFP activities: an international agreement governing the rules set for flying space flight participants. Part of that document, agreed to as a result of the launch of Dennis Tito, provided all ISS partners a say in activities that might cast dispersion or embarassment on the nation. Depending on your particular point of view, celebrating Iran at the same time as advocating sanctions could be seen as contradictory and be perceived by some as a weakening of position (I should make it clear, that I am not expressing my own personal opinion, as political comments are not appropriate for this message board). IP: Logged |
Prospero
Member Posts: 46
From: Manchester, UK
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 25, 2006 08:01 AM
It all seems incredibly silly to me. I don't know an awful lot about Ms Ansari, but I somehow doubt that she's a supporter of the current Iranian government. If she wants to celebrate the country she was born and brought up in, as well as the one she now lives in, I can't see any rational objection. She paid enough for her ticket.Just about any flag is bound to offend someone, somewhere, that's no reason not to use them on mission patches. How many international space missions in the 70s, 80s and early 90s, starting with Apollo-Soyuz and ending with Helen Sharman's flight, had mission patches incorporating the Hammer and Sickle? Now there's a flag with sinister connotations, but I don't remember anyone kicking up a fuss.
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aerospace educator
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posted September 27, 2006 09:00 AM
Has anyone found the description of the Ansari patch? Most of it is obvious, but I do not recognize the figure standing atop the ISS.Thank you. IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted September 27, 2006 04:56 PM
It appears the Iranian flag (or at least its colors) made it to the ISS with Mrs. Ansari: http://www.anoushehansari.com/videos.php IP: Logged |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1250
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted September 28, 2006 07:16 AM
OOps they forgot to have her change her coveralls. Good for you Anousheh!Tim IP: Logged |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 12300
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted October 13, 2006 01:56 PM
As it turns out, it was Russia, not the United States, that forced the issue of the Iranian flag. From the Dallas Morning News: quote:
Mrs. Ansari said politics and policy challenged her optimism while she trained for her adventure. Russian officials asked her to remove a patch on her launch space suit with the Iranian flag."I think they were afraid of negative publicity," Mrs. Ansari said. "I told them there will not be any negative publicity unless you make me take off my patch." She protested and wrote a letter asking NASA to intervene. The American space agency declined, and rather than jeopardize her lifelong dream, Mrs. Ansari said she dropped the issue. She blasted into space with one country's patch – the U.S. flag – on her left shoulder.
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Philip
Member Posts: 3326
From: Brussels, BELGIUM
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted October 13, 2006 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
I know I'm leaving off several firsts on both sides, but I don't think the Russians have any dominance on "firsts"...or certainly not "almost every first in space."
What about the first manned space station ( Skylab ) ...[Edited by Philip (October 13, 2006).] IP: Logged |
RMH
Member Posts: 484
From: Ohio
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted October 14, 2006 08:21 AM
I noticed Ansari's personal patch is shaped identical to the STS-100 mission patch. Is there an artist connection (or any connection) between these two designs? IP: Logged |
