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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-05-2004 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
STS-114 / Discovery mission patch

The STS-114 patch design signifies the return of the Space Shuttle to flight and honors the memory of the STS-107 Columbia crew.

The blue Shuttle rising above Earth's horizon includes the Columba (the dove) constellation of seven stars, echoing the STS-107 patch and commemorating the seven members of that mission. The crew of STS-114 will carry the memory of their friends on Columbia and the legacy of their mission back into Earth orbit.

The dominant design element of the STS-114 patch is the planet Earth, which represents the unity and dedication of the many people whose efforts allows the Shuttle to safely return to flight. Against the background of the Earth at night, the blue orbit represents the International Space Station (ISS), with the EVA crewmembers named on the orbit. The red sun on the orbit signifies the contributions of the Japanese Space Agency to the mission and to the ISS program.

The multi-colored Shuttle plume represents the broad spectrum of challenges for this mission, including Shuttle inspection and repair experiments, and International Space Station re-supply and repair.

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It is a great looking mission patch. Congrats to the crew on a job well done designing it.

That is a nice, shuttle tribute to STS-107. And putting the Japanese rising sun as the "o" in Noguchi was clever as well.

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This patch is absolutely beautiful. It combines a tribute to the crew of STS-107 and STS-114's mission objectives quite well. Many years from now people will look at this patch and think the same way about it as we do Apollo 8, loving it for its simplicity yet effectiveness.

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Personally, I do not like the patch. The "ring" was used first for the ISS-crew, and does not really make sense now. Okay, it shows the names of the astronauts that will fly on the back seats of the flightdeck during launch and/or landing and also, Robinson, Noguchi and Thomas comprise the EVA/IV team. So with a little effort, we can find some logic. Moreover, I do not like the fiery trail behind what is supposed to be Columbia.

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posted 03-07-2012 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering how hard it is to find an original STS-114 patch that has the ISS crew? Never see one on eBay. Are they worth much?

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 03-07-2012 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One was sold on eBay.co.uk lot No.170781651854 on 21st February 2012 for £15.99 ($25.00). Yes, they are very hard to find.

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posted 03-09-2012 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had to look to see if I had this patch and the answer is: not quite. Instead of "LU MOWEMKO" (MOSCHENKO) in the lower right, mine had "LU Калери" (KALERI). My less than detailed notes say only "Original Design." I think the latter patch was easily available from AB Emblem.

I looked more closely at those sold/selling on eBay and they all look like the Randy Hunt versions of the patch. Note the merrowed (rounded) edge on the round part of the patch and the awful white lettering on the blue orbit around the earth. The guys at spacepatches.nl have an excellent example of all of these.

That is something that just kills me about fake/fantasy/reproduction patches. After enough time passes, no one knows or cares what they are and they command high prices.

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posted 03-09-2012 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I actually have a Moshenko STS-114 patch. Was wondering when Randy Hunt produced his versions or first produced them. I have had mine since around December 2002. Pretty sure I bought it from the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex gift shop the same time I ordered the STS-107 patch.

Joel Katzowitz
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posted 03-10-2012 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an original 114 patch that I "accidentally" purchased at the KSC press site while there for the 107 launch. I was buying a number of 107 patches and somehow the 114 ended up in mix. I thought about returning it but figured it would be easier to keep it. I'm glad I did.

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posted 03-10-2012 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joel, would you mind posting a photo of your original STS-114 patch so I can compare with mine? Thanks.

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posted 03-10-2012 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is mine. If I'm not wrong I bought it at AB Emblem in the time of Expedition 6 mission during STS-107 preparations for launch.

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posted 03-10-2012 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, that is not an AB Emblem patch.

The AB Emblem patch can be told apart from other souvenir versions (a majority of which were produced after STS-107 and the STS-114 patch being redesigned) by the solid red outline of the continents and the thin black border around the outside of the patch, as seen below.

Randy Hunt produced the "Moschenko" version well after the fact. He also produced a "Kaleri" version, but it has the same dotted line outline of the continents and thick outer border.

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posted 03-10-2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right. I have also the AB Emblem Kaleri version (not the Randy's). Let me look and find it!

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posted 03-10-2012 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did AB Emblem really make a Moschenko version of STS-114 patch?

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posted 03-10-2012 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, as far as I can remember...

Joel Katzowitz
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posted 03-11-2012 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On inspection, my version of the patch is identical to Jorge's. Although it was purchased prior to the 107 launch, it's apparently not an AB Emblem.

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posted 03-11-2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can swear that my STS-114 Moshenko patch was bought before 107 from the KSC gift shop when I bought my 107 patch. What gives?

Did the store at the time sell patches from makers other than AB Emblem? Back then I usually bought up several flights at one time from the shop. I believe I got the 113 patch as well.

If Randy Hunt made the Moschenko patch much later how did I get one in 2002?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-11-2012 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At times, the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex store has sold patches by manufacturers other than AB Emblem.

As AB Emblem did not produce a "Moschenko" version, the shop may have turned to an outside provider to offer the patch.

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posted 03-12-2012 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So is it safe to say an early STS-114 pre-107 "Moschenko" patch would be considered an original if the agency had it done, not a souvenir maker? Why would it have to be AB Emblem to be official if NASA commissioned it?

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posted 03-12-2012 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No; the Visitor Complex gift shop is not the agency. NASA has no role in what the gift shop sells. The Visitor Complex has sold a number of patches that were never authorized by NASA.

Generally for a patch to be considered official, it needs to be have been ordered by NASA for its internal use. The agency never did that for the Moschenko version of the patch.

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posted 03-12-2012 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm trying to figure out why my Moschenko early STS-114 patch looks exactly like the one official return to flight STS-114 patch flown in '05 less the 107 tribute shuttle at the top.

The so called official one pictured under Jorge's patch looks nothing like my 2005 flown version that anyone can get. What I'm getting at is the "official" STS-114 early patch looks cheaper and my patch looks just like the flown patch. I'll post the photo I have of both.

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posted 03-13-2012 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my pre-107 patch compared with the AB Emblem 114 flown patch. Someone tell me why they look exactly alike less the 107 tribute and name changes?

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posted 03-13-2012 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither of those patches are AB Emblem made.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-13-2012 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dogcrew5369:
Someone tell me why they look exactly alike less the 107 tribute and name changes?
As Ben says, that is not an AB Emblem post-redesign STS-114 patch. Here is an "as-flown" AB Emblem STS-114 patch:

And here's the same patch on STS-114 mission specialist Andy Thomas' suit (the color differences are due to the light angle):

The AB Emblem pre-redesign STS-114 patch has a 5.5-inch diameter from tip to tip of its orbit. The post-redesign patch has a 6-inch orbit diameter.

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The AB Emblem pre-redesign STS-114 patch has a 5.5-inch diameter from tip to tip of its orbit. The post-redesign patch has a 6-inch orbit diameter.
Thanks for the info, Robert. I've always wondered why the pre-redesign was smaller than the redesign. But at least this confirms that they're both official.

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posted 03-14-2012 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll be doggone. Well, at least that clears that up. I guess whatever they are, they were made by the same manufacturer. All these years I thought I had the AB Emblem. Until they started putting the embedded sticker on the back, how can you tell if you were ever getting the official patch? Guess I need to order a new 114 patch and find out who made mine. I have to say I like mine better. I get mine now from Skyforce. I hope they sell the right patch!

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posted 03-14-2012 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yours were made by Randy Hunt. If you reference spacepatches.info, they have a good visual guide to the space shuttle era patches and the Hunt-type souvenirs that were produced.

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posted 03-15-2012 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogcrew5369   Click Here to Email dogcrew5369     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You said Randy Hunt produced his Moshenko version "well after the fact." I did get mine well before STS-107 even flew so that doesn't add up. Has to be another manufacturer if that is true. Or maybe he produced it before the flight which, to me, doesn't make sense.

I checked on the Spaceflight Now store and they are selling the patch that I have, which is not AB Emblem. Hmm.

I use to buy patches from this site and maybe I got mine from this site back in 2002. It's been so long...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-15-2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hunt may have produced them earlier; I only became aware of them after the tragedy as a result of profiteering sales that followed the loss of Columbia's crew.

Spaceflight Now's store does indeed display the Hunt souvenir, though whether they are selling that version or just using the patch for an illustration is not clear. I know that today, the new patches they sell are AB Emblem.

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