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Topic: Space Helmet Models' "Moonwalker" 1:6 resin kit
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apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 09-11-2013 07:31 PM
   
Great new model from Space Helmet Models available soon."MOONWALKER: Last Man on the Moon" 1/6 resin kit. Sculpted by Ignacio Bernácer Alpera. Really awesome work from him.  |
Jerry Brouillette
Member Posts: 147
From: Louviers, CO
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 09-11-2013 08:58 PM
Wow! That is some nice detail. Looking forward to more information on the kit, well done. |
the clocks running
Member Posts: 382
From: Rochester, NY
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted 09-11-2013 09:23 PM
Just what I want for sure! A 1/6 J Mission moon walker.Awesome!  |
Philip
Member Posts: 5952
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 09-12-2013 09:17 AM
Superb looking apollo astronaut figurine!!! Curious to see what Pascal will do with it... working his magic to get it painted and put in a lunar diorama.  |
Ronpur
Member Posts: 1211
From: Brandon, Fl
Registered: May 2012
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posted 09-12-2013 04:34 PM
1/6th scale...wow, that will be one big chunk of resin! |
p51
Member Posts: 1642
From: Olympia, WA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 09-17-2013 06:36 PM
The link is a Facebook page. Any chance for details and prices for those of us who don't use Facebook? I will never understand anyone trying to sell something you must friend them just to are what they have to sell... |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42982
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-17-2013 07:06 PM
The link to Facebook is only a gallery of more photos. For purchasing information, contact astron@eresmas.com. |
Philip
Member Posts: 5952
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 11-05-2013 10:27 AM
Tried to contact them... no response yet.Update: Looks like these are not (yet) for sale. 
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apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-13-2013 02:03 AM
The first complete and in paint "MOONWALKER: Last Man on the Moon" 1/6 resin kit. Sculpted by Ignacio Bernácer Alpera is ready.It looks very good. (See Facebook for more photos.)  
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apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-13-2013 05:13 AM
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space1
Member Posts: 853
From: Danville, Ohio
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-13-2013 05:58 AM
That's probably the most incredible model and diorama I've ever seen. |
martin00sr
Member Posts: 60
From: Denmark
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 12-13-2013 10:18 AM
Spectacular!------------------
http://spacemodels.dk |
history in miniature
Member Posts: 600
From: Slatington, PA
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-13-2013 01:32 PM
Yes it is incredible but also very expensive, $396.00 with out shipping. Shipping fees to the U.S. are $68.00. |
Philip
Member Posts: 5952
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 12-14-2013 07:20 AM
Would look far better with a golden visor
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modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-19-2013 02:43 PM
Yes, this superb sculpt does appear to be expensive but if you go to Ignacio's Facebook site and see the extraordinary amount of work involved even without the research...In my opinion it is a work of art... a sculpture. If you think of it in that way it helps. Which ever way you look at it it has to be the definitive three dimensional interpretation. |
Norman.King
Member Posts: 375
From: Herne Bay, Kent, UK
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted 12-22-2013 08:47 AM
One thing that worries me is each time I look at the above pictures I keep thinking that the legs are to short and not in proportion to the rest of the figure? |
David C
Member Posts: 1014
From: Lausanne
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted 12-22-2013 12:00 PM
I agree, almost looks like a caricature. |
apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-22-2013 01:17 PM
Maybe it's so neat to wait with final conclusions before some modellers have had this kit in progress.So as in this photo, it look also not all in proportion.  |
datkatz
Member Posts: 176
From: New York, NY
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-23-2013 02:07 AM
Measured from the shoulder to the fingertips, Aldrin's right arm is very nearly exactly as long as his right leg. On the Cernan model, the right arm is quite a bit longer than the right leg. The model is way out of proportion. |
noroxine
Member Posts: 116
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Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-23-2013 02:25 AM
Igniacio make an incredible works and all effort it make for the community! He is source of many models and I'm always think that photos not always give the "best point value" to an object.I don't want to enter in a topic where poor and cons discuss but just repeat again that this type of model are really exceptional in terms of quality and Igniacio is really a great man, so I'm very disappointed that is work was so badly criticized. Experiment... Fail... Learn... Repeat. Because we are just human. |
Norman.King
Member Posts: 375
From: Herne Bay, Kent, UK
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted 12-23-2013 02:43 AM
I don't think anyone is criticising the quality of his sculpturing skills. He's obviously a very talented artist and I (along with everyone else on this forum I'm sure) applaud anyone who brings more models to the market, but I don't think we're out-of-place pointing out what some of us perceive to be a flaw in the design of this sculpture. |
alexbaja
Member Posts: 448
From: Naxxar, Malta
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 12-23-2013 03:54 AM
Don't you think that we should wait for the final product to come out first. I am sure that Ignacio knows what he's doing and he will inspect his product very well before putting them on the market. I hope that there are more positive response in order to encourage people like Ignacio to continue creating works of art. |
GACspaceguy
Member Posts: 2474
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 12-23-2013 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by datkatz:
On the Cernan model, the right arm is quite a bit longer than the right leg.
On this model it looks like the right leg is bent at the knee so how did you make an accurate measurement? Just wondering, as I have been fooled by using photos for scale before when trying to create an item from scratch and know the pitfalls all too well. |
modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-23-2013 10:04 AM
Regaring limb length on this superb sculpture, by all means criticise, but from knowledge...This remarkable piece is called moonwalker and that is exactly what this figure is doing. Try walking and look at your hips in relation to the way this pelvic girdle moves to your legs and the way your weight shifts. When you bend a limb, it appears (in terms of a straight line) shorter; fairly obvious I would have thought. The animation/movement that Ignacio gets into his sculpts is what sets them apart from the competition. You cannot use a two dimensional photograph to accurately portray a three dimensional object. Spaces distort, i.e. look larger/further away than reality. Wheels on cars and wagons in film will always run backwards (unless someone writes an CGI algorithm to cure to phenomenon). The camera distorts, big time, VERY big time. Ignacio is to be congratulated on producing such a fine piece of art. |
datkatz
Member Posts: 176
From: New York, NY
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-23-2013 01:03 PM
You can argue all you want about the beauty of the sculpture, or bringing more models to market, or even the fact that "Moonwalker" is walking. But the bottom line (no pun intended) is simple. The model is out-of-proportion. The legs are too short. |
Constellation One
Member Posts: 119
From: Lorain, Ohio, USA
Registered: Aug 2008
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posted 12-23-2013 04:01 PM
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modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-24-2013 04:07 AM
The comparison pic you post is a nonsense. You cannot legitimately do this in a critique. Don't just look at the famous photograph taken by Armstrong but EXAMINE it CLOSELY. The head appears far too large for the body and the torso appears too wide for the legs and the ankles/boots far to small to support the body above it. The right arm appears 'thinner' than the left, the left leg appears 'fatter' and shorter than the right and so it goes on. Simple lens distortion. The camera lens cannot cope with perspective in a rational way which is why railway lines appear to 'come together'. Be assured, Ignacio's sculpt IS in proportion. |
modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-24-2013 04:28 AM
Thinking about it, 'railway lines' was not a good example perhaps. The occipital region of the brain and retina of the eye can be fooled also. Which is why optical illusions are such a delight. Conversely for example, whilst moving film of the revolving wire frame cube works as an illusion it does not in a still photograph.
We model makers are continually battling with such brain/reality phenomena in an attempt to produce realistic looking models eg. colours 'lighten' in relation to scale.
Photographs are great for information but NOT for dimensioning, or colour rendition for that matter. |
Constellation One
Member Posts: 119
From: Lorain, Ohio, USA
Registered: Aug 2008
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posted 12-24-2013 06:43 AM
Just to offer my "perspective" (!), I intentionally offered no comment on my image.It is what it is. As an artist myself and a photographer, I understand your points. But, they sound more like unneeded excuses. In my eyes, the sculpture far exceeds any other attempt at the subject. When I pulled the two together, I was satisfied with the proportions offered. Could the crotch be higher? sure. Oh wait, there is a human in that suit! Maybe that's where it belongs! About the only thing that bothers me is the helmet shape. With that said, I'm know where near intelligent enough on the subject to judge it. I look forward to adding this piece to my collection when my wallet allows. I think it is great. |
apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 07:09 AM
Ignacio has a deep-going study of the relationships in terms of human form and Apollo suit around it, let's not forget that an astronaut does not wear swimsuits, it will hang here and there to consume pose. 
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history in miniature
Member Posts: 600
From: Slatington, PA
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 07:20 AM
Looking at the unpainted sculpture I can now see that the legs are indeed the correct proportion to his upper torso. |
modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-24-2013 07:33 AM
My apologies. I clearly misconstrued the intent of the pic and related it to the totally unjustified criticisms above. I too work as an artist and model maker. The post and that following sets all to rights thank goodness. I agree. It is a very fine piece indeed and I placed my order three days ago. I have Ignacio's Gagarin and and Orlan DMA. The quality (and proportions) are superb. |
apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 08:39 AM
I receive this morning the kit, and here the sizes: 12 cm long leg  12 cm long arm  I was just also busy with a Dragon figure and it surprised me: Arm long 12.5 cm  Leg without moonboots (3 cm) 12.5 does total 15.5 cm  Does the size of the Dragon has shorter arms, that can fix with the separate hand/glove. I do see know why it look by the resin figure if the legs appear shorter than arms, this come by the criss cross pants jump look. |
datkatz
Member Posts: 176
From: New York, NY
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 02:11 PM
Here's John Young, taking a lunar sample. His legs are bent just about as much as the suit will allow — much more than on "Moonwalker." Note how long his straightened leg would be. |
modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-24-2013 02:37 PM
I bought the Dragon "model" when it first came out and was very disappointed with it. It is really only a sort of posh action man (GI Joe) toy and on that basis it is rather good but not a serious figure. The manikin (like action man) is very much out of proportion to allow for the joints. I actually cut the joint tags down and removed about 7mm on each of the torso/arms and legs The suit is cut to fit the manikin. After the manikin was in I then stuffed the suit with cotton wool and at least you get a better more realistic shape. Remember photographic distortion I previously pointed out when looking at the John Young pic. |
datkatz
Member Posts: 176
From: New York, NY
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by modelhopper:
Remember photographic distortion I previously pointed out when looking at the John Young pic.[/B]
Yeah. It must be distorted, 'cause it shows that "Moonwalker's" legs are too short. |
apolloprojeckt
Member Posts: 1447
From: Arnhem, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 12-24-2013 04:22 PM
The model is super emerged from the mold, little sanding, the visor is mounted on, when in filler, then once in special primer for a real 24 karat plating layer. 
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modelhopper
Member Posts: 21
From: Herts UK
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 12-29-2013 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by datkatz:
It must be distorted, 'cause it shows that "Moonwalker's" legs are too short.
Oh dear, I give up... Mr. Young's legs in the photo, besides being bent are clearly splayed outward so very much prone to the phenomenon called foreshortening. |
datkatz
Member Posts: 176
From: New York, NY
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 12-29-2013 11:45 AM
"Foreshortening." In other words, Young's legs are actually longer than than they appear in the photo. (And, in the photo, they are clearly longer than "Moonwalker's.") |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42982
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-29-2013 11:58 AM
Can I make a suggestion? Rather than go back and forth about what may or may not be seen in photos, why not someone just contact Ignacio and ask for the measurements of his model? Or perhaps wait to receive the model (if you are purchasing it) and then judge its appearance in person? |
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