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posted 08-02-2010 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwmzmm   Click Here to Email dwmzmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Estes 1/100 scale Saturn V is coming out this month, after a one year delay.
Back by popular demand! A limited edition of the famous Saturn V that sent man to the moon. The Estes Saturn V is one of the finest 1/100 scale models kits ever produced. Scaled from official NASA drawings, the finished model is 43.25 inches tall and lifts off to about 150 feet on one D12-3 engine.

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posted 08-03-2010 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The price went up again too. Every time this comes back out, it creeps up in price.

I have a 1990 vintage one, but I might have to get this so I have a spare.

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posted 08-04-2010 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Built one of these in 1976. Awesome rocket.

Jay Chladek
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posted 08-06-2010 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, somebody who owns one of the more recent pressings of this kit might be able to answer a question for me. The kit I acquired circa 1990 has the typical Estes construction of using cardboard based corrugation wrap sections for the rocket. Centuri by comparison favored vacuformed wraps and Estes did this as well when they offered the 1/100 scale Saturn 1B.

Although I never had one of the kits available around 1999 or so, I understand Estes went to vac plastic wraps on the Saturn V as well, making the thing a bit closer to a Centuri hybrid of sorts. Was that really the case?

I wish Estes would go back to the cardboard ones if they did. Reason being is the vac ones require a little creativity in getting them to fit. On my Saturn 1B I got them to fit okay with 3M Super 77 Spray Adhesive, but my work was all for nothing as the Krylon primer coat I used crazed the plastic in spots and turned some of my transitions back into flat sheets. And the kit was already LONG discontinued by then, so forget getting any replacements from Estes at that point.

Estes has been coming hot and heavy with the reissues this year. Maybe if the Saturn V gets re-popped, the Saturn 1B won't be too far behind as I have always liked the looks of that rocket.

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posted 08-08-2010 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if any will be available in the U.K?

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posted 08-08-2010 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwmzmm   Click Here to Email dwmzmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay, you do know SEMROC has a very nice 1/70 scale Saturn 1B that uses paper corrugations? They also sell the corrugations separately (and they do have the Orion kit, a classic from Centuri from years back that uses the corrugation patterns from the Centuri Saturn 1-B). With some imagination, you could use these to repair your models...

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posted 08-08-2010 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hadn't considere the SEMROC Orion, but looking at the pictures, that indeed might be the ticket (and if the body tube is the same size, I'll just make a new S-IVB one from it). Thanks for the tip. I will follow up on it.

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posted 08-09-2010 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwmzmm   Click Here to Email dwmzmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jay, when you go to SEMROC's website, go to the Embossed Wraps section and you'll see the listings for the wraps for the Orion (the last three listed). I'm sure those wraps will fit the same body tube as the 1/100 Saturn 1-B. You can e-mail Carl at SEMROC to verify; he's excellent in giving great customer service.

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posted 08-09-2010 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Much appreciated as I will do just that. At one time I had considered using the Estes S-IVB wrap, but the body tube Estes used was ever so slightly smaller in diameter then the one the Saturn 1B inherited from Cox.

At this rate, even with the new section, it will take some rebuilding as the model hasn't survived the years well. A couple of the fins have been knocked off and I also need to get a new escape tower for the CSM. At least with Estes reissuing their Saturn V, acquiring a new escape tower should be easier today then it was before.

EDIT: Hold the phone, I also just found this.

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posted 08-14-2010 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo Redux   Click Here to Email Apollo Redux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
The price went up again too. Every time this comes back out, it creeps up in price.
Still cheaper than Apogee Components' Saturn V.

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posted 08-19-2010 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, the Saturn V popped up in stock at the local hobby shop today so I went ahead and purchased it (the appeal of the package was too powerful to overcome). Looking over the contents, it is a little improved from the last issue. Indeed the kit does have the vaccuform plastic wraps of the previous issue (and originally seen on the Centuri kit) as opposed to the cardboard ones, but they look good. The capsule and LES are still Estes versions though and that is good because Estes provides an excellent representation of an Apollo block 2 CSM with a BPC on it. The plastic F-1 engine bells are also the same.

For curiousity, I pulled my old 25th anniversary Saturn kit out of storage to compare the two and except for the difference in the wraps, things aren't all that different. One thing I prefer on the cardboard wraps though is the protrusions and ullage motors on the older kit were solid styrene instead of vac plastic molded on the wraps. This made it easier to make modifications. For instance, both kits make the mistake of having 8 motors on the stage 1 to 2 interstage ring when the manned flights had only four there (Apollo 4 and 6 had 8). The correction is easier to make on the older kit as you just leave four off.

The decals in the new kit are based on the old ones in terms of markings provided and their layout, although they are slightly different from one another. As I understand it, the previous issue of the kit did away with the waterslide decals in favor of peel and stick ones. As such, I am glad Estes went back to waterslide ones for this issue. One thing I applaud Hobbico for (the owners of Estes) is they had a misprint of the A, B, C and D fin markings on the main sheet as they didn't print them with a white background. So the kit includes a tiny supplement decal sheet with the corrected markings. Hobbico didn't bother to do any similar correction with the Revell USA repop of the Monogram Saturn V, when their decal sheet had all the lettering that should have been in red printed in black instead. Rick Sternbach's Space Model Systems has an extensive 1/96 scale Saturn V sheet available for the big Revell kit, but the scales are so close that most of those markings could be used on the Estes kit if you so desire (decals available in other popular model scales as well).

The retail of the new kit is about $100, which is the same price as last time. My shop was selling it for $69.99, which is 10 dollars more then what they sold it for last time. As such, while the retail didn't go up, the wholesale price likely did just a smidge. I'm glad it is back out in any event and it looks great!

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posted 08-12-2011 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How difficult is this to build just for display? I want a large scale Saturn V and the Vision 4D seems a bit pricey. I don't intend to fly this. Any advice will be appreciated.

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posted 08-19-2011 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How good are your model building skills? This is a skill level 4 kit, but if you have built and painted some skill level 3 rocket kits before and can mask and paint well, you should be able to just fine with this kit. The trickiest bit will be working with the vacuformed fins and the detail rings on the rocket as the adhesive you use will have to work on both cardboard and plastic.

At least Estes gives you some of the best instructions out there, so if you can follow those you should be fine. The rocket looks great when done and makes a beautiful display piece. Only other thing out there of similar size would be the Revell of Germany 1/96 Saturn V kit and that one requires a different skill set to build in and of itself.

The main thing to consider though with either choice you go with is while you will save money over the 4D Vision model, you are going to have to put in a lot of time to get either an Estes or a Revell model built well enough to look good. These should not be rushed.

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posted 08-19-2011 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jay... I think I will hold off on the Estes - I have never done wraps nor a combination materials model. The 4D is supposed to be re-released this fall. I do appreciate the advice.

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posted 08-20-2011 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not a problem. Main thing with building rocket models is most kits out there are never going to be totally accurate as almost all of them suffer from "prototype syndrome" meaning elements of the designs came from drawingboard plans or early models and certain features can look different as a result from flying hardware. Saturn and Shuttle both had that problem.

I would say that with the elements you get in the box, an Estes kit at least has the most potential for being built into an accurate model out of the box without running for aftermarket bits. Most of the plastic Saturns out there tend to suffer from the need to correct features on them.

As for the flying issue, granted you didn't say you wanted to fly it anyway. But in my case, if I finish one of the two Saturns I have, even building it for flight, I am going to be VERY reluctant to fly it as I don't want to risk it crashing and have all that beautiful work I did destroyed. Crashing a sport rocket is one thing, crashing a Saturn V, something else entirely.

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I've built the Estes Saturn V, and it is a challenge to build — mostly the wraps and transition sections, and then you have to paint the beast and add the decals.

I grabbed a 1/70 Apogee Saturn V a while back, but haven't taken the plunge. It sure looks impressive, the main body tube is huge. But all those wraps. Yow.

The 4-D Vision Saturn V, is a great model, in my opinion. You can build it in a day. While it is billed as a snap together, and it is, and pretty amazing at that, I used some glue to hold it together a bit better.

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Thanks to all for the advice and help. I am re-entering the modeling hobby after 40 years. I haven't built anything since my youth. I started recently with the simple 1/8 revell astronaut and added some detail - extra hoses on the chest, a handle for the camera and detail on the LM strut. I am going to start the Airfix 1/144 Saturn IB. As presented it doesn't look too challenging and I probably will not correct much from the base model. Next will be the 1/32 Monogram Apollo command and service module. Maybe someday I'll get the nerve to build this. I just hope I can find a 4D Saturn in the meanwhile.

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posted 08-23-2011 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Airfix Saturn V and 1B kits are good ones to start with to get you back into building. They may not have all the bells and whistles of other offerings, but at least they won't trip you up and with the newly tooled Block 2 CSMs in the kit, they are more accurate than other plastic Saturn models out there.

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posted 10-04-2011 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwmzmm   Click Here to Email dwmzmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, I'm back. I built and flew my Estes K-36 vintage kit (extensively modified) for the Apollo 11 40th Anniversary Celebration Launch for our model rocket launch back in July 2009. The model was configured for 5 engine cluster (24 mm core/four 18 mm outboards) and flew well; only that I miscalculated the stress of the upper section for recovery due to the extra weight/mass needed to make it stable.

Pics of that launch are in my Facebook photo album. Enjoy!

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