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Peter Kemp
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posted 03-20-2010 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Kemp   Click Here to Email Peter Kemp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pre-ordered this model in October 2009 from HobbyLink from here in the UK at a price of 47,310 yen but this did not include shipping which they said they would notify after shipping the model and charging my
PayPal account.

I may have a choice of FedEx Express or EMS for shipping. The site says that FedEx Express can work out cheaper to ship to Europe than EMS but they are offering a 20% discount on EMS shipping to June.

I think it will be expensive to ship it to the UK whatever carrier is used and then there is UK Customs VAT / Import Duty already mentioned and of course the outrageous fee ParcelForce charge for collecting the duty.

Still I think it will be worth it to own what appears to be an exceptional model.

Norman.King
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posted 03-20-2010 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just checked my email order confirmation from HW Japan again and I was right with my £300 assessment earlier. I got the price wrong in the previous post, I'm paying 41640 yen, not 49640. (I really do need to wear my glasses more).

Here's a copy of my order for reference:

Shopping: 39840.Yen
Shipping Fee: 1800.Yen
Discount: 0.Yen
Total: 41,640.Yen
As you can see they've put a token 1800 yen value for the shipping fee, so that is the only unknown part of the transaction.

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posted 03-20-2010 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering, did the ECS radiators ever get painted correctly?

Dennis Beatty
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posted 03-20-2010 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis Beatty   Click Here to Email Dennis Beatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what the production quantity/availability will be... but when I placed my order, Rob at Bad Cat Toys told me that his distributor was only allocated 10 pieces.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-21-2010 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a supplier in Germany. Currently, UK residents would be looking at a total cost of £499 delivered... all in. But there is a possibility he may be able to offer a discount for "bulk" orders.

I found out today that he will be placing his final order with Bandai tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. Anybody in the UK interested in being part of a single bigger order, resulting in a yet undetermined discount (but a discount none the less) make yourself known asap and I will see what kind of deal I can negotiate.

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posted 03-25-2010 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received a notification from HW Japan this evening. They received the models and are ready to ship them out.

The price of the model is 39,840 Yen plus 10,700 Yen for shipping. The total amount in US Dollars is $558.15. Shipping is through EMS.

Norman.King
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posted 03-26-2010 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also received notification this morning from HW Japan that mine is ready to ship.

My UK total was 52,140 Yen (39,840 + 12,300 Delivery) which is £388.91. I expect UK customs to add import VAT of £68.06 + £8 Parcel Force handling fee making a final total of £464.97.

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posted 03-27-2010 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first are already offered on ebay. What a lot of money!

Norman.King
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posted 03-27-2010 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being one of the first to get one (I hope) it’s nice to know that if it doesn’t live up to expectations I should be able to off load it on eBay and not be out of pocket.

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posted 03-28-2010 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for divemaster   Click Here to Email divemaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When someone finally gets their hands on one, I'd LOVE to see "up close and personal" photos of all of the detail to see if it's really worth the money. I'd love to be able to see one and hold it in my own hands, but I'd settle for detailed pictures and a lengthy opinion.

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posted 03-28-2010 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too, thanks.

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posted 03-28-2010 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks too new and too clean for me, given the first photos, I'm more of the used look.

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posted 03-28-2010 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ApolloManiacs   Click Here to Email ApolloManiacs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have uploaded photos of final mass production model on my web site. Enjoy.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-28-2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks nice. I am sure the model builders among the collectSPACE community will see flaws but then my eyesight is not what it once was so I don't suppose I will notice them first hand.

It has to be the finest mass produced finished Saturn V to date and a model that I suspect will... depending upon the production run of course, increase in value with time.

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posted 03-28-2010 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Norman.King:
That is a question isn't it? Does anyone know if these will be a limited run or mass production?
According to Bandai's press release issued last October, the company plans to ship one million units by Dec. 2010.
The main sales channels nationwide model shop, toy shop, toy shop models of electronics retail stores, mail order and Internet in 2010 and by December it plans to sell 1 million units.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-28-2010 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
It has to be the finest mass produced finished Saturn V to date and a model that I suspect will... depending upon the production run of course, increase in value with time.
A production run of one million may just shoot a large hole in my hypothesis...!

GoesTo11
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posted 03-28-2010 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A million units? Really? Leaving aside the implications for the model's sustainable value, is that number even realistic?

I feel like Doctor Evil: "One million units!"

Jay Chladek
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posted 03-28-2010 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As with any collectible, collect it because you like it, not because of perceived value. You start collecting for monetary value in the hope it will go up then one is likely to be disappointed. Only time it is worth something is if you can sell it for that.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-28-2010 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GoesTo11:
...is that number even realistic?
Bandai is a substantially large, well-established company (per Wikipedia, the "world's third largest producer of toys"), so they know their distribution potential but I suspect the million-count is as much about marketing as it is about their faith in this new product line.

Suffice to say, this isn't a limited edition model.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-28-2010 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
As with any collectible, collect it because you like it, not because of perceived value.
I could not agree with you more Jay. I often hear of collectibles and artifacts kept in safety deposit boxes or lofts rarely seeing the light of day.

I prefer to display my collection in the study... as much as my wife will permit, and the forthcoming Bandai Saturn V will be no different.

My reference to value was not intended as a rallying call to speculators. Rather a gentle prod to those who understandably have been put off by the cost of the model now only to potentially be disappointed further when the cost of acquiring a pristine example at a later date may have risen disproportionately... as has been the case with other models.

Robert's recent post thankfully makes such a prospect less likely.

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posted 03-28-2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dsenechal   Click Here to Email dsenechal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The likely Saturn V purchasers are the same folks who bought the 1/24 Code 3 Collectibles' Command Module model. I expect that if you take the total sales of the Code 3 Command Module (whatever that might have been), then reduce it by about half, due to the comparatively high cost of the Saturn V, you'll get a reasonable estimate of the number of Saturn V's that will be sold. I'm guessing not a million. In any event, I've got two on the way, so just 999,998 remaining...

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posted 03-28-2010 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for divemaster   Click Here to Email divemaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is NO way that they're going to sell a million units at that price point. They'll be extremely lucky if they sell 500-1000. The Code 3 comparison is perfect.

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posted 03-29-2010 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ApolloManiacs:
I have uploaded photos of final mass production model...
That is very nice. I really like the photo with the papercraft LUT and crawler. Way cool!

But that price is just way above my budget. But then again, I do have a full set of Code 3 spacecraft (or the re-issued ones) now.

Norman.King
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posted 03-29-2010 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jay Chladek:
As with any collectible, collect it because you like it, not because of perceived value.
Couldn't agree more. For a commercially produced product I think it's as detailed as the Code 3 models and will look great in my display cabinet alongside them.

I too have my doubts about Bandai's one million unit claim. I just don't think the space collectible market is that big and it's way too expensive to sell as a "toy" in a regular shop.

EDIT: just had notification that HW Japan have now shipped my order.

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Today I heard about the sales from BANDAI's staff. He said that 90% of stock will run out until May! It's making very nice sales in Japan now.

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Question to owners of the Danbury Mint Saturn V (Scale 1:250; 17 1/2" tall): Do you plan to buy the Bandai?

I have yet to decide. I love my Danbury, its size fits perfectly in my collection... however, I'm sure that I will regret the Bandai in a few years if I pass.

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posted 03-29-2010 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a million units is possible when one factors in the Japanese only market. There are quite a few Japanese who are rabid about the space program and would buy if they had the cash. Just look at the plethora of candy toys that have popped up over the past decade related to space exploration.

Granted the price is still high, but the cost of living in mainland Japan is already expensive. So this isn't that bad a price point for Bandai's core market.

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posted 03-29-2010 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam Que   Click Here to Email Sam Que     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just checked the couple of sites listed as selling the Bandai Apollo 11, they all indicate they are sold out. I noticed that a company named Boomingisland out of California is selling the item. Has anyone purchased from them? Thanks in advance for any information.

Peter Kemp
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posted 03-30-2010 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Kemp   Click Here to Email Peter Kemp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 1202 Alarm:
Question to owners of the Danbury Mint Saturn V (Scale 1:250; 17 1/2" tall): Do you plan to buy the Bandai?
I also have the Danbury Mint Saturn V displayed in a case and agree its a very fine model.

However could not resist having a larger example and not competent to build the Revell 1/96 scale kit have two of the Bandai Saturn V models currently somewhere between Japan and the UK and expected to arrive via EMS within the next 5-9 days not allowing for the time they will be held up in UK customs.

One will be put away untouched, the other I will again have a display case made to go with the other models including the Code 3 series in my collection.

I also have the "Ultimate Saturn V Rocket" by Space Voyagers. Made of plastic ("with authentic launch sounds and vibrations") its more of a toy but at nearly three feet tall it looks impressive, again when displayed in a case. Mine has been signed by Jim Lovell. I got it via eBay a few years ago along with a smaller model of the Mercury Capsule this one signed by Scott Carpenter.

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posted 03-31-2010 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mwallace05     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ordered my Bandai's Apollo 11 and Saturn V 1:144 model on Friday the 26th and received it yesterday the 30th in Ohio. Total cost with S/H $487.00 USD

It is a nice model but I am somewhat disappointed because I was under the impression that the model had a lot of die cast metal in it. Super Alloy.

Over 97% of the model though appears to be just plastic.

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posted 03-31-2010 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The advert would certainly appear to be misleading; I thought it was predominantly made of Super Alloy as well.

Anyway, the main thing for me, what is the fine detail like?

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posted 03-31-2010 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnraiders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mwallace05:
I ordered my Bandai's Apollo 11 and Saturn V 1:144 model on Friday the 26th and received it yesterday the 30th in Ohio. Total cost with S/H $487.00 USD
Where did you order from?

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posted 03-31-2010 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mwallace05     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Norman.King:
Anyway, the main thing for me, what is the fine detail like?
The fine detail is very good. Compared to the Danbury Mint model (which I own) and the fit and finish is so much better as well.

Of course my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I need a magnifying glass to see detail on the LEMs.

They are very small and with the exception of the ladders are all plastic as well. You need to be careful when lifting them out of the padding and with handling them because it would be very easy to damage them.

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posted 03-31-2010 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mwallace05     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Where did you order from?
First time I have ever ordered from them, but I ordered mine from this website. Price was very good and EMS shipping was very fast as well.

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posted 03-31-2010 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mwallace05:
First time I have ever ordered from them, but I ordered mine from this website.
Well, everywhere I look, including that site, seems to be sold out of them (There are a few on eBay, but the prices seem inflated.) Hope the production plan mentioned earlier in this thread is correct, and that there are more on the way. I don't collect for investment value, so the "limited edition" thing isn't a factor for me.

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posted 04-01-2010 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mwallace05:
Over 97% of the model though appears to be just plastic.
That's sort of a bummer. The ad and captions certainly indicate the model is made with "Super alloyed metal".

97% plastic just wont do it for me, not for $500+, regardless of how much detail is present.

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posted 04-01-2010 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rizz:
97% plastic just wont do it for me, not for $500+
You have to wonder why it is so expensive if it is mostly plastic?

I'm now a little nervous waiting for mine to turn up. I just hope my better half doesn’t find out what I have just spent on "another piece of plastic."

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posted 04-01-2010 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rizz:
The ad and captions certainly indicate the model is made with "Super alloyed metal".
Part of the confusion may be due to a cultural mistranslation.

According to Wikipedia, Chogokin is Japanese for "super Alloy" and is a "fictitious material" that first appeared in a comic book. Bandai has used the name to describe its line of diecast toys, but its not clear that everything released under the brand has been made of metal...

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
According to Wikipedia, Chogokin is Japanese for "super Alloy" and is a "fictitious material" ...

Brilliant advertising.

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posted 04-02-2010 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mwallace05     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Norman.King:
You have to wonder why it is so expensive if it is mostly plastic?
I would like to understand myself how they justify such a high price tag.

I like the model very much one minute and then the next I think I maybe paid to much for it.

It will be interesting to hear other peoples opinions who have received theirs.


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