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Apolloman
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posted 11-28-2021 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apolloman   Click Here to Email Apolloman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
During my (too) many readings I came across a piece of text that I translated into French for my website, the problem is that I don't know where I read it (PDF, website, comment). This is what it looks like (after re-translation into English (may not be entirely true to the original):
...despite the AGC technology deployment, no one has been able to design a physical connection between the CM's CGC (Command Guidance Computer) and the LM's LGC (Lunar Guidance Computer). Since the CGC is the primary computer throughout the mission, this means that the astronauts must manually enter position and data from one computer to another, a cumbersome and time-consuming task, to top it off, the reference angles of the two vehicles are different, further complicating the LM IMU alignment procedure during in-flight activation.
A kind soul would have more information on the subject (was it a question of time, of financing, a technology too demanding for the time) by chance?

oly
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posted 11-28-2021 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC) was a stand-alone design that, as its name states, the primary task was navigation. Measuring the spacecraft’s position, velocity, and orientation, and plotting a trajectory to the target. The data came from the gyroscopes and accelerometers of the inertial guidance system and was supplemented by celestial navigaion.

While each mission to the Moon carried two Apollo Guidance Computers, one in the command module, the other in the lunar module, with the hardware of the two machines nearly identical, the software (programming) for each enabled them to achieve their distinctive functions. The LM AGC was supplemented in the later stages of the descent by readings from a radar altimeter that bounced signals off the Moon’s surface.

Due to the way the two spacecraft were orientated while they were docked, the “up” reference for each AGC was different. A roll to the right for the CM would be a roll to the left for the LM whilst docked, so a gimbal angle for the Command Module needed to be interpreted for the Lunar module.

There was no need for the two computers to be linked because they served different functions. The software was loaded into the AGC prior to each mission because a physical launch date/time was needed and a landing site position was required to write the navigation program.

Apolloman
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posted 11-28-2021 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apolloman   Click Here to Email Apolloman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your answer

So according to your statements, if I understand well: a physical link was not necessary between the two computers (AGC and LCG) even if she would be only for the transfer of flight data in case of force majeure as in the flight of Apollo 13.

But was it nevertheless possible, in the case where the second computer could make the conversion of angles and roll of the first.

"Crap," I would really like to remember where I could have read this statement. This one is therefore false or misinterpreted.

oly
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posted 11-28-2021 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From: Apollo 13 Guidance, Navigation, and Control Challenges AIAA SPACE 2009 Conference & Exposition, 14 - 17 September 2009, Pasadena, California.
LM Platform Alignment

During LM activation IMU platform alignment was a top priority so that the LM could be used to perform burns to place the spacecraft on a return to Earth trajectory. Aligning the LM platform before the CM platform alignment was lost, due to the CM power-down, was a challenge. LM PGNS activation was nominal.

A CM to LM docked alignment was performed. The CM pilot provided CM IMU gimbal angles to the commander for the docked LM alignment. The procedure required some pencil and paper calculations and the commander asked Mission Control to do the math to ensure accuracy. The crew reported that debris surrounding the spacecraft made it impossible to recognize constellations needed to perform a CM IMU or LM IMU optical alignment using star sightings.

Apolloman
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posted 12-04-2021 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apolloman   Click Here to Email Apolloman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eureka! I found my source on the internet, it's an article that is finally written in Spanish for the 50 years of Apollo 11

In the middle of the article, it is written:

Curiosamente, y a pesar del despliegue tecnológico que suponía el AGC, nadie fue capaz de diseñar una conexión física entre el CGC del módulo de mando y el LGC del módulo lunar. Puesto que el CGC era el ordenador primario durante toda la misión, eso implicaba que los astronautas debían introducir los datos de posición y orientación manualmente de un ordenador a otro, una tarea ciertamente tosca que consumía mucho tiempo (para colmo, los ángulos de referencia de los dos vehículos eran diferentes, complicando todavía más el procedimiento de alineación de la IMU del LM cuando se activaba en vuelo).
It's this "story" of physical link that bothers me. The author of the article seems to be a serious person considering his CV.

Is it me who misunderstood his words?

oly
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posted 12-04-2021 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An English translation of the citation:

Curiously, and despite the technological deployment of the AGC, no one was able to design a physical connection between the command module's CGC and the lunar module's LGC. Since the CGC was the primary computer throughout the mission, this meant that the astronauts had to manually input position and orientation data from one computer to another, an admittedly crude and time-consuming task (to top it off, the reference angles of the two vehicles were different, further complicating the LM IMU alignment procedure when activated in flight).

Consider what would be involved in linking the two guidance computers. The additional wiring, connectors, and hardware would add weight to an already overweight system, that would also have had to undergo weight reduction, and the added complexity would have also added development time to a program that was behind schedule.

Apolloman
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posted 12-04-2021 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apolloman   Click Here to Email Apolloman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your answer.

I would like to know from which source the author got this statement.

oly
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posted 12-04-2021 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps a question that only the author can answer.
Daniel Marín is an astrophysicist by training and passionate science communicator. He has received the 2012 Bitácoras Award and the 2015 20Blogs Award for the best blog in the science category, as well as the 2013 Naukas Award for the best popular science blog. Collaborator of the magazine Astronomy, he is a member of the AAGC (Astronomic Association of Gran Canaria) and Mars Society Spain. From time to time he usually attends the launch of a spaceship.

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