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Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-12-2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adam Savage of Mythbusters fame models his brand new Still The Right Stuff Apollo flight jacket in this Tested.com video released today:

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posted 02-12-2014 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who on Apollo 15 was named "Gorman"?

C'mon man!

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posted 02-13-2014 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gorman, Gordon, Worden... close enough.

I don't generally (ever) recommend reading the comments on YouTube but the top response (at least as of right now) is someone asking, "Any links on how to order the jacket?" (to which Alexander Leathers is given in a reply).

I wouldn't be surprised if this video results in orders for Still the Right Stuff.

(And now I'm wondering if Adam might be reading collectSPACE, given his shared passion for space history...)

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posted 02-13-2014 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome jacket. Spacesuit is kind of cool too.

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posted 02-13-2014 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercsim   Click Here to Email mercsim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
shared passion for space history...
I agree with 328KF, C'mon man, Robert?

While Adam usually seems enthusiastic about most science related subjects, if he was truly passionate, wouldn't he know the astronauts, or at least fact checked it before making the video?

Still a cool spot.

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posted 02-20-2014 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beginning March 3, SpaceAnswers.com will be running a contest to win one of the Still The Right Stuff flight jackets. Details can be found on Al Worden's website.

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posted 02-20-2014 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd love to see this company offer a replica of the early 80s shuttle flight jackets.

The clones produced by Avirex and offered at Space Camp were close (5 pleats vs. 6, front pockets in the wrong location), but not close enough.

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posted 02-20-2014 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious, has anyone here ordered one or intends to do so?
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Originally posted by Greggy_D:
I'd love to see this company offer a replica of the early 80s shuttle flight jackets.
Good point. I agree on the Space Camp ones. But even those are impossible to find in adult sizes. They made them, I know that for sure, but I doubt they made that many of them as the few that turn up at shows on eBay are always kid sizes.

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Having worked with Al Worden on this initial offering, there is very good chance that more products will be made available based on the success of the original product(s). I can't be specific a this time, but there are other products that are in the pipeline.

Has anyone ordered one of the original custom made flight jackets yet to report on the buying process and the quality of the garment? What may be holding you back? What would make the product more desirable {if anything} in your eyes? Feedback is the big key on an unique item such a this.

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posted 02-24-2014 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jurg Bolli   Click Here to Email Jurg Bolli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cost is prohibitive in my view, otherwise I would happily buy one.

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posted 02-24-2014 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think many here agree with you fully on both points. I know for sure I do!

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posted 02-24-2014 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevmac   Click Here to Email Kevmac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto on the cost. Just can't justify paying that much for a jacket, or any piece of clothing for that matter.

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Don't forget, the contest for the free flight jacket starts this coming Monday, March 3rd. Instructions can be found on the flight jacket page of Al Worden's web site.

Just out of curiosity, what would you be willing to pay for a high quality reproduction such as this?

Lastly, what other types of "usable" authentic reproductions would you like to see? And how much would you be willing to pay for said fantasy item?

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posted 02-27-2014 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by divemaster:
Just out of curiosity, what would you be willing to pay for a high quality reproduction such as this?
I don't think anybody is questioning the quality factor here. But it's hard to justify that kind of cost for a reproduction item like this. Few people (myself included) could justify that amount for something that is, really, a clothing item you could wear in limited circumstances as most people wouldn't risk getting something that expensive dirty or stolen.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $2-300 MAX for something like that, and we're talking the extreme high end of anything I'd consider buying at all. Again, let me stress, that's the extreme high end. Anything around $200 would be far more plausible for me for a jacket that isn't made of leather.

Quality could take a minor hit for me with a price tag along those lines. Frankly, I'm surprised a company like Alpha hasn't tried to make something like this by now.

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Lastly, what other types of "usable" authentic reproductions would you like to see? And how much would you be willing to pay for said fantasy item?
I love the jacket being offered now, but I'd love to see (an affordable) yellow version of the same jacket.

A copy of the light blue flight suits they wore in the Apollo era would be great, too.

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posted 02-27-2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would probably go $400-450 tops. As mentioned above, I would love to see an early 80s shuttle flight jacket (with the ribbed shoulders).

If you need an authentic jacket to examine/measure, just let me know and I can lend you mine for a short time.

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posted 02-27-2014 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would buy one tomorrow if it were in the $200-$300 range. I get that it was tough to track down the materials and all, but that doesn't justify the current price, in my opinion. It's a great looking product, but I am not sure that the custom fit option isn't the main driver behind the high cost.

Why not go in the direction of a line of standard sizes?

As far as a wish list goes, I would love to see a version of this in the darker blue that was worn early in the space shuttle program by Young and Crippen... I need something to put my replica STS-1 patch on! Both of theirs are on display at the Astronaut Hall of Fame.

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posted 02-28-2014 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevmac   Click Here to Email Kevmac     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as we're being asked, $200-300 would be the max limit for me.

I'm reminded of the line of pro sports jerseys that offer two to three different versions of game jerseys for people with different sized budgets. From a replica jersey for $140 to $300 for a game authentic version (Mitchell and Ness Joe Namath jersey). NFL.com and similar sites offer $80 to $135 to $250 jersey versions based on quality and material.

Yes, we want the Apollo jacket, but not the "exact" one, not custom made, the astronauts wore made from a government contract. We want the one that can be factory made with standard sizes for a third of the price.

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posted 03-02-2014 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for divemaster   Click Here to Email divemaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will make sure that Al Worden and his business partners are aware of the comments from the members of collectSPACE. Your input is always appreciated. This is a totally custom made, custom fitted piece that is made from custom materials. I know that the next item(s) will be slightly more generic and a little less specific to the final owner. The jacket is a one of a kind, very specific item - just as the flight jackets were to the astronauts.

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posted 03-05-2014 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine's arrived. I've only wanted one for about 30 years, so you can probably guess that the anticipation was killing me.

Basically, it's perfect. Superb quality and fit. For those complaining about the price, you can see where the money went. There's no other product close to this on the market. Not Buzz Rickson's, not Gibson and Barnes.

You have to decide if you want the "real" thing or a cheap imitation. There's no chance of coming close to this at the prices mentioned by some unless it becomes a mass-produced item. And at that point you can forget custom fit. Really, it's pretty similar to the situation of those who prefer a Chinese copy watch to the real thing.

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posted 03-05-2014 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, I don't think anyone's taking the quality issue into question. It's the price. There's simply a limit to what most people will spend on ANY jacket, and I think $700 is beyond that for most people.

Would quality take a hit for a much lower price on a production-line jacket? Sure it would, I think anyone would have to agree.

It boils down to the issue of which makes more business sense; an item that costs a great deal and is custom-made, or a lesser quality item (which, really, looks pretty much the same from a few feet away) and has a price that would sell much more, being a price far more people could afford (or more likely, could justify to themselves).

I just hope this company takes this message to heart before another company sees this void and kneecaps the original vendor with a less expensive version. Whoever comes up with it first will do very well, as every space museum gift shop in the world will be ordering batches of them...

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posted 03-05-2014 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realize the perspectives being shared here are personal ones (from whatever economic viewpoint one has) but objectively, there is a well-established luxury market that would not blink an eyelash at a $700 price tag (they might even consider that a steal). And some of that market overlaps with the space history community (just look at the prices paid at recent space auctions).

There is something to be said about a well tailored, well-crafted piece of clothing. Anyone who has worn a custom-tailored suit can attest that it is significantly better than the off-the-rack alternative. And while you can say both look the same from a few feet away, it is the fine details that make the difference.

As for the gift shop market, speaking from experience, the demand for replica astronaut jackets may not be large enough to warrant a mass produced approach. I'm not saying there isn't a business case, but it is not as simple as create it and they will come.

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posted 03-05-2014 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by p51:
Again, I don't think anyone's taking the quality issue into question. It's the price. There's simply a limit to what most people will spend on ANY jacket, and I think $700 is beyond that for most people.

Sure, but with all due respect so what? In other words, what's wrong with having a top quality and consequently more exclusive replica? There's already room in the flying jacket market for both. Take as only one example of many, the USAF MA-1. Alpha have produced a cheap knock off for years, and they sell them by the boat-load. Has that killed of Buzz Rickson's trade in superb limited edition replicas?

If you want more examples just look at the squillions of leather "flying jackets" on the market, all based on a small number of original designs. Again top quality replicas (and top dollar - much more expensive than these) are still profitably sold.

There's room for both, but you have to know your market, they're very different.

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posted 03-05-2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you go back and read your post, you answered your own question there.

Yes, Buzz Rickson's does a good trade in the high-end copies of flight jackets. But the slightly-lesser-quality-but-way-cheaper ones outsell them by multiple orders of magnitude.

I'm not saying that they won't (or shouldn't) sell this $700 dollar jacket. I'm just saying many people wouldn't dream of spending that amount, but would for one in the 1-300 range that has according quality.

Beats me why there's even an argument on this point. It's a fact, well supported by the numbers of flight jackets of varying price ranges which are sold today.

There's room for BOTH and I don't understand how there could be anyone who can't see that...

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I go back to the sports jersey model. Go to any pro or collegiate football, baseball, basketball, or hockey game in the United States, and a huge number of people are wearing a full range of low to high quality replica jerseys of their favorite players and teams (and you see them around the world also). It's not the exact one worn by the player, although those are available also for the higher price, but people of every size and every age are wearing something similar for much lower prices.

Nike, Reebock, Adidas, Mitchell and Ness, etc. have done very well over the years mass producing these jerseys for those that want the look of their favorite sports team at a much more reasonable price.

I'd like to have the Apollo jacket also, as do many others, but we don't have the desire or financial ability to pay $700. Give us a less expensive alternative that's close and we'll be happy, and many will be sold.

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posted 03-06-2014 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Give us a less expensive alternative that's close and we'll be happy, and many will be sold.

Then you need to contact a company like one of those you mentioned. These guys simply don't have the capacity you require. They are not that sort of operation.

As for what each customer will consider to be close enough, I'm not sure you'll get a consensus. First to go will be the outer fabric, next the color (it's not a typical sky or pale blue), then the crossover fastening etc. Maybe you'll gain some bonus features like epaulets from a re-badged "L-2".

Companies have had at least 46 years to do this. If it was such "low hanging fruit", you'd think they'd have tried. A mass market is probably there, but it would need serious thought. Apollo is remote for most people and these jackets are downright obscure. To Joe Public astronauts wear "spacesuits".

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posted 05-06-2014 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found one on eBay in my size, for the list price. I threw down an offer as allowed in the listing and scored it for WAY less than the list price! Just paid via PayPal a moment ago. I had just sold some stuff on eBay last week so the money wasn't that big a hit to me.

It was more than I probably normally would have paid for something like this, but compared to retail, I got a screaming deal!

Does anyone know if these have Velcro patches for the nametape? I have several flight suit nameplates from my warbird flying days...

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posted 05-06-2014 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, the nameplate is velcro'd on so you can replace it — Adam Savage demonstrated that in his video.

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Should be getting my jacket in the next couple of days. I e-mailed the seller and asked how he got it (as it has a size tag, something I think doesn't normally come with them), the seller replied that it was a sample and he's some kind of retailer who had something to do with sourcing the materials, or so he claimed. I got the impression this was how they compensated him.

I still will be worried about wearing the thing out, in that I'll be worried something will happen to it or it'll get stolen. But it won't stop me from wearing it to any space-related event, regardless of the weather at the time (where I live, the summers rarely ever get very hot).

Just curious, does anyone on this forum have one of these?

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Yeah, the nameplate is velcro'd on so you can replace it — Adam Savage demonstrated that in his video.
I hadn't watched the video when I'd posted that, oops!

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Okay, I got mine yesterday...

WOW.

Pardon the bad analogy, but it fits like a glove.

I lucked up by finding someone wanting to sell his on eBay and he was extremely close to my size. the jacket fits like perfectly. Best of all, I got it for a fraction of the normal cost (but to be honest, I had a lot of explaining to my wife afterward, even at the amount I spent for the great deal I got it for).

Now, addressing the quality, the ad copy is accurate. It's clearly hand-made and is made of some amazingly high-quality materials. I spilled some water on a sleeve and I found it was still beaded on the surface a few minutes later (most jackets, it'd have soaked by then). The stitching is exceptional and compares very well to other original flight jackets in my collection from that era.

Most people don't realize that 'roomy' flight jackets is a current thing; most flight jackets from WW2 to the post-Nam era were supposed be far more snug than those worn today. Knowing that, the fit is great and very comfortable. It's very thin, though, and is intended (like the originals) as a light windbreaker. I wore it in sunny 60-degree weather outside yesterday in high desert conditions and it felt great.

If you've seen the movie, "Pulp Fiction," Travolta's quote on the five dollar milkshake comes to mind, in that it's a great jacket but I'm still not sure if it's worth $750/ That said, it IS an amazing product and very well made. If you have the means (and can justify the price), I highly recommend one.

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Yes, I have one of these, they all come with a size tag, "42", "44" etc.

Really love mine, great quality. Have always wanted one of these so when they were announced I knew I would eventually hand over the cash!!!

Must state that I had wonderful customer service from Alexander Leathers. It took three attempts to get the right size. First jacket the sleeves and body length were too long. The next jacket the body length was too short. Finally the third was spot on, Amanda and Will at Alexander were so helpful and fully understood that paying this sort of money you want the product to be right.

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posted 07-25-2014 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still The Right Stuff has introduced a gold NASA flight jacket:

The price for both the blue and gold flight jackets has also been reduced: £375 (or about $640 at current exchange rates).

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posted 07-25-2014 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NICE! Ever since the Apollo 13 movie where Tom Hanks runs in the house wearing a great replica one, I've wondered why nobody made one of them before now...

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posted 07-27-2014 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear, I can feel the cash leaving my wallet already. Looks great, good news about the price drop.

Is the type IV NASA vector still correct on this one?

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posted 07-27-2014 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Panther494:
Is the type IV NASA vector still correct on this one?
To me this looks like the "Apollo 17" jacket - black metalwork, leather bellpulls on both zippers and crossover waist fastening. That would make type V more likely I think.

The "Apollo 13" jacket seemed to have none of the above features. See Swigert's jacket up for auction soon.


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