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davidcwagner
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posted 12-14-2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recently won Lot 692 at a Goldberg auction: Apollo Program, Hasselblad 70mm. Silver Film Magazine

This film magazine has three date stickers (1983, 1992, 1995) and remnants of a fourth.

Is it possible that this was flown on an Apollo or shuttle Mission? Any way to track by part and serial number? P/N SEF 33101018-301

freshspot
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posted 12-16-2012 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking at those magazines prior to the auction and chose not to bid because a different part number - SEB 33100082-211 - flew on the Apollo missions. I don't know of any way of telling if they flew post Apollo, but that particular part number was not on any Apollo missions that I was able to find.

Still it is a cool item and you got it at a great price.

dragon001
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posted 12-16-2012 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragon001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen the canisters mostly in black, and the line of cameras were available to the public. I do not believe the silver canisters were exclusive to NASA.

Here is the "space" page from Hasselblad.

Shuttle you'd be looking at 203S or ELS. At some point, NASA moved to Nikon D2s and D3s and an entire collection of lens for Shuttle and Station.

What is the text on the top of the canister?

davidcwagner
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posted 12-16-2012 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the link to "space" page from Hasselblad.

The magazine most closely resembles the Hasselblad 500EL/M.

This is the first Hasselblad SLR space camera and it was equipped with a HC3-70 prism viewfinder. It was used for the first time at the Apollo-Soyuz flight in July 1975.
There are two black labels on top. Upper label has red lettering on two lines:
INSERT DARKSLIDE
BEFORE INSTALLING/REMOVING MAGAZINE
Bottom label has white lettering on three lines:
VERIFY MAG. SIGNAL WHITE
BEFORE
INSTALLING ON CAMERA
The rear of the magazine has two white velcro strips on either side of a gold label
"CH 01". The white "CH" is original to the label. The "01" appears to be black ball point inside a blank white square on the label.

The left side requires a photo. Email davidcwagner@yahoo.com for photos.

dragon001
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posted 12-17-2012 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragon001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remove Darkslide is pretty much on all of them (with exposure guidelines).

I'm not sure about the "CH" - I am aware of this designation with FujiFilm (ISO400) as an abbreviation... but the auction picture shows ISO500.

Not to mention... NASA used Kodak. I think they developed a special film for Apollo 8.

z0sense
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posted 12-22-2012 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for z0sense     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oddly enough, I was a huge Hasselblad fan/collector prior to my interest in space hardware.

There were silver magazines and cameras flown on Apollo 11. The silver camera was the Data camera... and rather than sit here and just type out an entire article, I looked through my favorites and found the NASA site you should take a look at:

The Data Camera was given a silver finish to make it more resistant to thermal variations that ranged from full Sun to full shadow helping maintain a more uniform internal temperature. The two magazines carried along with the Data Camera also had silver finishes. Each was fitted with a tether ring so that a cord could be attached when the Lunar Module Pilot lowered the mated magazine and camera from the lunar module to the Commander standing on the lunar surface. The exposed magazines were hoisted the same way... (Reference)
There is also a gentleman that has a site dedicated to the history of Hasselblad and specifically NASA Hasselblad. In addition he has quite an archive of serial numbers and related info from several years of research. Lastly, he has quite a collection of his own! As soon as I find it in my bookmarks I will post, but in the mean time, the link above should be of assistance.

z0sense
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posted 12-22-2012 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for z0sense     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even better, here is a direct link to several close up shots of the Silver Magazine variety... this is not all of them, but yours should have 99% of the same features and markings.

I did not see where you noted a designation for the magazines (see the link above for location) but it would help you determine potential flown mission if any.

On edit: I found the link for the guy with his own collection of NASA Hasselblad and serial number info. I would suggest reaching out to him for help. I do not see your serial number, and I assume the "SEF" prefix you show should be "SEB" and maybe its worn. In either case, his magazine on his silver camera also has the dated "inventory" tags you were describing.

davidcwagner
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posted 12-22-2012 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At Club Hasselblad, near the bottom of the page is this photo of a "NASA Hasselblad Electric Camera (HEC), 1968. Training unit for astronauts lunar landing."

The top of my magazine is identical. The left side has the same three colored stickers (1983, 1992, 1995).

I tried to email the site but I get "Your submission has triggered the spam filter and will not be accepted." Please advise. Thanks.

z0sense
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posted 12-23-2012 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for z0sense     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sent an email to him and copied you. Good luck... I hope it pans out for you.

davidcwagner
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posted 12-23-2012 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are photos of the magazine:

davidcwagner
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davidcwagner
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posted 12-25-2012 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Club Hasselblad camera: NASA Hasselblad Electric Camera (HEC), 1968. Training unit for astronauts lunar landing appears to be for sale on eBay.

The S/N 1008 magazine is very similar to mine (S/N 1001). The hand written notations on the right side of both magazines appear to be in the same hand.

It is very similar to mine. The hand written notations on both magazines appear to be in the same hand.

I cannot find reference for QX809 or QX828 film.

Note that the camera has an SEB part number and both magazines have a SEF part number. Any opinions?

dragon001
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posted 12-25-2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragon001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that tape may read QX807: Zooming the bottom arc of the "9" looks to be different color. The top of the "9" also appears to be flat, as a 7 would.

Compare to the 7 in the "Expo" info.

z0sense
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posted 12-25-2012 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for z0sense     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While it may or maynot be a training model, I can tell you that the magazine you purchased is a 1974 model.

Based on the picture of the Hasselblad serial number you have pictured (startes with "UI") the first two characters refer to the year, which is "UI" and "1974".

It can't be from Apollo, and I have reservations about it being flown because it appears to be missing the modifications necessary to accommodate for the astronauts gloves. However, it does seem obvious it is a magazine from NASA because of the inventory stickers....

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