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liebeek
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posted 02-04-2009 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liebeek   Click Here to Email liebeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anybody know if there is any kind of reference book for flown items like flags, patches and similar things.

Thanks,
Ruud

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posted 02-04-2009 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One easy recommendation that comes to mind is: Relics of the Space Race, by Russ Still.

--John

liebeek
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posted 02-04-2009 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liebeek   Click Here to Email liebeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks John, I have Relics but I am looking for a guide which specializes in flown items only.

Do I have to resort to auction guides? Are they a good indication as to what is on the market?

But then I still don't know what is 100% authentic and what isn't. It is all a matter of trust but I want to know what indications I have to look for to be more sure before deciding to buy.

Ruud

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posted 02-05-2009 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I'm aware there is no such reference book.

Relics is a great resource but makes little mention of flown souvenirs apart from medallions, covers and patches.

I've often thought of putting some kind of site together but it would take some doing.

ilbasso
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posted 02-05-2009 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know nothing about creating one, but could we do some sort of wiki site where cS'rs and others could contribute photos and info about our flown items?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-05-2009 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A wiki site has been discussed before, but the format has been criticized for its lack of accountability.

As just one example, it would be very easy for someone to use such a wiki to in essence, create provenance for an item they own with very few resources to dispute the misinformation.

The problem with a published book dedicated to flown items is that it would be at best incomplete and at worst, premature. While collectors and museums have made significant advances on documenting what was flown and in what quantities, there is still much to learn.

At the very least, I think we need to reach a point where the astronauts and/or their families, agree to release in full the personal preference kit manifests to establish a base through which auction sales and collection inventories could be correlated.

That said, one idea I have heard proposed recently was to establish a uniform format that collectors would all agree to use on their own websites when presenting flown items. The virtual label would allow direct comparisons and some preliminary accounting by those in the hobby. Data fields might include the documented history behind the item but also when and where it was purchased and the chain of ownership as was known.

liebeek
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posted 02-05-2009 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for liebeek   Click Here to Email liebeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I suppose my question is answered then. There is no such book and I understand your point Robert. Thanks for answering. I will try to trust someone's judgment and good intentions. Is there no list of some sort which states names of dealers of these items of which one can 100% say they sell the real deal?

A kind of gentleman's code could be developed? If you abide by it you will stay on the list? Is something like that feasible?

Sellers on eBay and Astro Auction could earn a place on the list? Just brainstorming.

Chris, I bought one of your flags and I know you are trustworthy because of your expertise and your love for the hobby and that is the sole reason I would buy from you again because it puts my mind to rest.

Would it not be nice to have some documentation to that fact?

The feedback system on eBay I don't trust anymore since I read about this Maksuta guy who sells supposedly "great" "flown" items I would really like to go for if I could only be sure...

I would also like to have some kind of reference as to what should accompany a certain flown item to prove to a high probability its flown status. In other words, how did you all learn what to look for?

In autographs I can honestly say I am becoming more of an "expert" every day, there is so much available to learn from. But flown items? Thanks anyway for all your answers.

Ruud

Philip
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posted 02-06-2009 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ruud, the auction catalogs of special spaceflight auctions also give a good idea of which flown items there're out there.

Philip
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Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-07-2009 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One straightforward resource that would be of immense value to collectors -- but would admittedly but a huge undertaking -- would be if the catalog entries for the flown items offered through Superior Galleries, Christie's, Sotheby's, Swann Galleries, Regency-Superior Galleries, Aurora Auctions and Heritage Auction Galleries could be cross-referenced (for re-sales) and compiled online with the original lot descriptions, pre-auction estimates and hammer/sale prices such that the entries could be easily sorted by mission, memorabilia-type, etc.

Of course, that would require the permission of all those auction houses to have their data included in such a database, and the process would be made that much easier, if those galleries could share the information in digital form (rather than having to re-type everything).

music_space
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posted 02-07-2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This consolidated database should work to the advantage of all of those speciality auction, so I should expect them to play along and contribute digital archives.

I have been integrating space auctions data to the best of my ability since 2001 in .xls files, for my own use.

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posted 02-07-2009 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LCDR Scott Schneeweis   Click Here to Email LCDR Scott Schneeweis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
A wiki site has been discussed before, but the format has been criticized for its lack of accountability.

As just one example, it would be very easy for someone to use such a wiki to in essence, create provenance for an item they own with very few resources to dispute the misinformation.


Peer review and a rating system (which indicates confidence level in the entries) would mitigate this issue.

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