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BMckay
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posted 10-22-2008 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMckay   Click Here to Email BMckay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am helping a gentlemen who worked in Burlington, MA for RCA during the Apollo program up to around the early 70's. He was awarded a Silver Snoopy for work on the Landing Radar but can't find any of the certificates or pictures to help tell when he received it. I did see a picture of Jim Irwin presenting it to a group but their was no date on it.

So can anyone help out and give me some history on the Silver Snoopy so I can help this gentlemen? Maybe if we can get a time table he can find his supporting documents.

That is a neat little pin!

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posted 10-22-2008 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Send me an e-mail with the guy's name and I'll check it against a list I have. It's not exhaustive but you may be lucky.

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posted 10-22-2008 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA also maintains an online database that includes Silver Snoopy awards that were presented at the time of Apollo (for example, there are 358 records for Silver Snoopys awarded between January 1, 1968 and January 1, 1973).

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That's the list I have a copy of, and unfortunately the name doesn't appear there. I believe the list is far from exhaustive.

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I have recently obtained a Silver Snoopy pin with no paperwork, but I'm fairly sure who it was awarded to and when (late 60's - early 70's). However, with no paperwork or certificate, there is no way of knowing what flight it was flown on (they were all flown?). Is the any reference or database out there with that kind of information? Thanks in advance.

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posted 12-31-2008 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wmk   Click Here to Email wmk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently acquired a Silver Snoopy pin from the personal collection of Jim McDivitt (see photo below).

I'd like to know if there are there different versions of these pins or have they remained the same over the years? Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)? Were all of them flown? Were any flown during Apollo?

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Answering your questions in reverse order:

Were any flown during Apollo?

Apollo 7 was the first mission to fly Silver Snoopy pins and all subsequent missions flew them.

Were all of them flown?

I can't speak to the Apollo era, but I am told by Silver Snoopy recipients today that if you lose your original pin, which was flown, it is replaced with a pin that was not flown. In other words, all pins as first presented were flown.

Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)?

Not to my knowledge, but I haven't had an opportunity to compare an Apollo era pin with a shuttle one.

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I am the proud recepient of a Silver Snoopy Award given to me by Al Worden and was told that it could only be present by Astronauts.

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Originally posted by mickapp:
I am the proud recepient of a Silver Snoopy Award given to me by Al Worden and was told that it could only be present by Astronauts.

You can be proud indeed. Out of interest, could you tell us which mission the pin was flown on? I believe the accompanying letter is the key there, as the astronut making the presentation was not necessarily from the flight in question.

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Originally posted by wmk:
I'd like to know if there are there different versions of these pins or have they remained the same over the years? Is there anyway to determine what time period a particular Snoopy pin is from (without any paper work or recipient's name)?

I've been able to compare a late Shuttle version with an Apollo-era version and there are differences in the design.

It's possible to tell from the fronts which is which, although the difference is subtle. The hallmark on the back is completely different.

What would be nice is to see the backs of known examples from Skylab, ASTP and STS-1 to see when the design changed.

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I received my Snoopy Award back in late 1969 for my work at KSC on Fuel Cells. The letter was addressed to me at P&WA & signed by Alan Bean but undated, which was odd. I was part of the KSC launch team assigned to the NASA/NA Fuel Cell Group & during launches I was in the Space Craft Control room. As far as I know, only P&WA, AC Electronics & Beech were the only vendors assigned places in the room during a launch sequence.

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I've just added a page to my Space Flown Collectibles site dedicated to NASA's Silver Snoopy Award.

I've discovered that there are many variants of the Silver Snoopy pin, and all those I've identified so far are illustrated on the site.

Obviously the list of different variants is limited by the small sample of pins I've been able to see to-date. I know there are collectors out there with Silver Snoopy pins from other missions, so hopefully this page will prompt them to take a look at the backs and get in touch with me so that we can fill some of the gaps in the list.

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A Silver Snoopy pin with full paperwork set what must surely be the record for a Shuttle-era example yesterday with this sale on eBay hitting an amazing $2,720.66!

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posted 05-14-2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Silver Snoopy with no paperwork (unflown) sold for $612.50. Why so much?

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If that is an Apollo-era pin then the price is fairly standard for one without docs. It would be assumed to be flown, despite the description.

If NASA really did give out unflown Silver Snoopy pins to visitors, as suggested in the description of this lot, then that would change a lot of things. Not least it would have seriously undermined the significance of their own MFA award scheme if they handed out identical pins like candy.

If the winner of the pin is a cS member I'd appreciate seeing a close-up photo of the back of the pin when they get it.

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I've just updated the Silver Snoopy page of my Space Flown Artifacts site to split the identified pin variants into three groups - those with the lower-case "r" Robbins hallmark, those with the upper-case "R", and the exceptions.

I can't stress enough that the number of clearly-dated pin examples is so small that we cannot confidently tie any particular pin style to a particular flight or date range at present.

If we had one pin from every Apollo flight that might give us a clearer picture but it would take several from each to start gaining any real confidence.

Even then it's possible that examples from one batch of pins may have been carried on multiple flights, being mixed with examples from a new batch on the last of the flights.

The recent case of pins coming from what appears to be un-awarded surplus stock shows that things can get even more complicated as we can never say for sure if these pins were yet to be flown or were flown but not awarded.

All this goes to highlight the fact that the only pin you can be reasonably confident was flown on a particular mission is one with the accompanying award certificate and letter, or one sold by an astronaut with accompanying LOA.

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posted 05-22-2012 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were the Snoopy pins flown with the clasp or pin attached? Seems easier and lighter to pack without the clasps and pins. Ever see any bare back Snoopy pins? Any info?

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Following the recent flood of Silver Snoopy pins I've updated the page on the site once again to added another distinct group of pins - those that don't have a Robbins hallmark.

I've now seen three distinct variants that share this characteristic and it's clear that they also all have a couple of specific design differences on the front, as I explain on the updated page.

I realize that the information presented in terms of variants is still a mess but for now there just aren't enough examples with solid ties to particular missions to allow us to draw better conclusions or to start getting a better idea of the chronological order of the variants.

We're still at the point where most of the new pins that appear on the market turn out to be new variants.

As more pins surface (hopefully with solid documentation) I'm sure we'll eventually start to make some sense of it all.

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posted 05-24-2012 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tnperri   Click Here to Email tnperri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any idea the value for a non-Robbins variety Snoopy?

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There is not really a going-rate for Silver Snoopy pins, although the recent flurry of possibly unflown pins went for around $600 each (with some maybe being sold direct for less).

The pins without the Robbins hallmark are currently a mystery. Maybe we will one day discover they were unflown pre-production samples. Maybe we'll find they were made for a particular set of missions and thus likely flown on those missions.

Given these unknowns it's impossible to say how much an example 'should' be worth.

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I have a photo of John Young presenting a certificate and Silver Snoopy award to me as related to Skylab at the Michoud Plant, New Orleans, La. The photo is dated 02-21-73. The certificate is undated, but addresses me personally. My daughter currently has the Silver Snoopy, so I am unable to provide detail at this time.

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If you do get a chance to photograph the front and back of that pin sometime I'd love to see the images to see if it matches any of the known types identified on my site and to add it if not.

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I've got my dad's Silver Snoopy (awarded 07/14/1983, Shuttle Program), with the original award certificate and associated paperwork. When I get a chance, I'll post a close-up photo and contextual information so you can add it to the database.

I looked at it a few days back, and recall that it had a nicely aged patina (looked almost like pewter), and there was a small hand-inscription on the reverse (looked like a date--two digits / two digits)--it may have been the award date, but I'm not sure... Kevin

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I was just wondering, do the Russians (and ex-Soviets) have some sort of pin like this, and if so does anyone have a picture of the Russian pin?

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In an earlier post (above) I mentioned that my dad was awarded a Silver Snoopy for his work on the STS program. The pin was awarded by astronaut Michael J. Smith (who would later perish in the Challenger tragedy), on July 14, 1983.

As you can see in the photos, the pin appears to be of an early STS style, but with what might be a new pattern of hallmark placements. And most mysteriously, a set of engraved numbers (1-2-92) on the reverse, near the top of snoopy's head.

Any idea what these engraved numbers could refer to? I've seen a lot of photos of silver snoopys, but I've never seen those hand-etched numbers... The provenance and accompanying documentation are iron-clad, so we know this is an official pin (and its awarding is recorded in the NASA database).

Any info would be much appreciated. In particular, is there any way to know what mission this pin might have been flown on?

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First-off, that's a great family heirloom and it's very nice to see that you have the original letter and award certificate with the pin. All-too-often these are lost over the years.

Your pin is a new Shuttle-era variant that I'll need to add to my Silver Snoopy page.

So, the markings — in fact it's not "1-2-92" but "F2-92" and these markings scratched on the back of Shuttle era pins are actually quite common.

In most examples the "F#" refers to the flight number so I would say it's very likely the pin was flown on STS-2, even though it was awarded some time later after STS-7 had flown.

The second number would be unique to the pin, i.e. pin #92 from the flight, although the numbering may only apply to a subset of all the pins flown. By that I mean that it's possible that this hand numbering may only have been added to the set of pins allocated to a particular section of NASA or maybe to a particular contractor.

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Thanks so much for the information! Great to know the likely mission affiliation--now that I am looking for an F instead of a 1, the inscription is clearly F2-92. And I'm happy to have found a new variant for your database!

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I've just added yet another early period Snoopy pin variety to my site - that's 26 distinct varieties so far, including 14 lowercase "r" Apollo to early Shuttle era versions.

As ever, if anyone has a Silver Snoopy pin variety that's not shown on the site please send me photos.

Also, if you have an example of a pin variety I already list but with the original award documentation please send me the details as anything that helps tie a pin variety to a particular date or mission is very useful.

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How many reproductions of these were made? I saw several of these at a military collectible show a few years ago, I had no idea what they were at the time and deeply regret not buying them all, now. But they were on a board with other tie tacs, at a few bucks each, and appeared to be brand new. I can only assume they were reproductions, but I wonder if anyone else has ever seen them. I only bring it up because the website noted by 'spaced out' mentions a reproduction he thinks was made for a the "From the Earth to the Moon" series, that's what I recall the ones I saw for sale looking like...

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I've just added a small new section to the Silver Snoopy page of my SpaceFlownArtifacts site entitled "Which mission was my Silver Snoopy pin flown on?".

It won't be what many collectors want to hear but it reflects my current thinking on the issue. That said, I'm open to hearing other opinions on the subject.

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As I've mentioned before, when I first started looking in detail at Silver Snoopy pins I thought there might be two or three different versions but soon began to find that there were in fact multiple versions. Starting from an expectation of discovering a small number of variants I chose to name these using a straight numbering system and note this using roman numerals - thus variant I, variant II, etc.

This worked okay for a while but I'm now up to 31 distinct variants identified with more appearing just about every month. Now most people are familiar with using roman numerals for small numbers but much less familiar with the representation of larger numbers - e.g. would most people immediately recognize XLIX as 49?

The easiest thing I can do now is to just drop the roman numerals and use regular numbers, which would have the advantage of conserving the reference numbers already used by collectors, and referred to in some auction listings etc.

Alternatively, I could take this opportunity to introduce more information in the variant names. For example, the names could be grouped by the type of hallmark - lowercase "r", uppercase "R", STERLING with no R but with raised UFC text, STERLING with no R but with stamped UFC text, no Sterling mark at all, and known replicas/fakes. If anyone has a good idea as to how I could name/classify these pin variants I'm open to suggestions.

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I think using both Roman Numeral and Decimal would be the easiest. Such as Variant XI (11). This way you would not need to change any already defined variants. Then you could subgroup these on your site for easier reference.

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