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Michael
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posted 10-14-2007 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael   Click Here to Email Michael     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was the first time I have seen 12 moonwalkers on one item (it went for $17,000 plus the commission at Swann Galleries' sale 2123, lot 44):

THE APOLLO MOONWALKERS (ASTRONAUTS.) Color Photograph of the Earth, taken from the moon, signed by all twelve of the apollo astronauts who walked on the moon. Signed in the right and left margins. Approximately 7 1/2x9 1/2 inches (image) on a sheet of approximately 8x14 inches; vertical crack in right margin affecting three signatures; handsomely framed. not examined out of frame. Np, nd

gliderpilotuk
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posted 10-14-2007 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are one or two out there which purport to be autographed by the 12 moonwalkers but which have dubious signatures on them. From the poor picture this looks good and with the unique mission inscriptions and no personalisation I'd say it was a good price.

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posted 01-13-2013 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonIUP   Click Here to Email JasonIUP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a couple pictures of items signed by all 12 moonwalkers that I printed out over the years. But, I didn't write down who had them or what they sold for. Does anyone remember when, where, and for how much one was sold?

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schnappsicle
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posted 01-18-2013 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for schnappsicle   Click Here to Email schnappsicle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moonpans sold a $1 bill signed by all 12 moonwalkers a year or 2 ago. I'm not sure what it sold for, but something in the range of $9,000 keeps popping in my head.

Personally, I'd much rather have the signatures on a photo than a dollar bill. While it may not be a one of a kind, it's definitely in a class by itself.

Bob M
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posted 01-03-2023 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Few of us who collect astronaut autographs don't have autographs of at least several the 12 Apollo moonwalkers. Even at this late date with, sadly, only four of the 12 moonwalkers still with us, it's possible to assemble a set of autographs of all 12.

There are several ways to go about it, such as collecting all 12 on a mixture/variety of items, such as photos, covers, index cards, etc. That would be the less difficult and less expensive way, but there are several other ways to better accomplish that goal.

Probably the most popular items are Apollo white spacesuit (WSS) portraits. Also popular would be business suit portraits, flight covers and cards, etc. Personal letters, ideally NASA stationary letters, are excellent but appear not to be overly popular.

The Apollo moonwalker autograph holy grail would be all 12 moonwalker autographs all on one item, such a lunar photo or a Saturn V launch photo. But it's believed that relatively few exist and very rarely any become available or are even shown.

Another exceptional goal would be autographs of all 24 Apollo lunar astronauts. That would include the 12 moonwalkers and the 12 Apollo lunar astronauts, those that orbited the moon or looped around it on Apollo 13.

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Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-03-2023 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps the ultimate "holy grail" astronaut collection would be having all the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronaut signatures on a single piece. The same could also apply to all the flown shuttle astronauts, but of course, a full shuttle assembly would not be as valuable in comparison to NASA's first manned spaceflight programs from 1961-75.

Having all the 12 Apollo moonwalkers together on an appropriate lunar photo or just about any quality Apollo-related item would certainly be a spectacular feat, as Bob pointed out. Throughout my space autograph collecting career of 50+ years here on the Florida Space Coast, I have personally handled only two such pieces signed by all 12 lunar explorers.

One of those, a thin hard-bound book, "Exploring the Moon" from 1969, I had possession of for many years. Aldrin had inscribed-signed the inside cover page to a space fan that I knew and later acquired his collection with the signed book.

My favorite, though, was a superb original "final" Apollo 11 Flight Plan manual that had resided on a living room coffee table all throughout the Apollo program by a prominent Cocoa Beach space family. As astronauts were frequent visitors to her home, they had been asked to sign the front cover page of the flight plan. Unfortunately, as I didn't report earlier in this paragraph, all but one Apollo moonwalker had not been included (Jim Irwin). But all other flown Apollo astronauts from Apollo 7 to 17, including the command module pilots, were all together on the front cover page with 28 authentic signatures and with no personal inscriptions.

Once Apollo was over, I saw the manual while on a visit to the oceanside Cocoa Beach home- port, Irwin was still with us. I had offered to have the manual hand-signed by the eighth moonwalker, but that feat had never been accomplished. If it had been signed by the Apollo 15 LMP, which I had been trying to arrange before his untimely death, there was a strong possibility that the fully signed manual would have had a new home (mine)!

Another nearly 29-signed Apollo item was a NASA letter by Michael Collins to KSC veteran Ray Burton. The letter pertained to Burton being the recipient of a Silver Snoopy Award from the astronaut office during the Apollo program. Ray had gotten most all of the flown Apollo astronauts on the letter-side in person, however, he was only lacking 2-3 astronauts, if I am not mistaken. Of the 12 Apollo moonwalkers lacking, once again, was Irwin (but correct me if someone knows Irwin had been included afterwards that I didn't know about). Oddly enough, though, the Collins signed letter was an Autopen. Go figure!

Bob M
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posted 01-04-2023 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken mentioned about a NASA stationery sheet signed by moonwalkers and other Apollo-era astronauts and this is an old copy of it that Ray Burton sent me many years ago. I count autographs of eleven moonwalkers, lacking Buzz Aldrin, and autographs of 9 of the 12 lunar astronauts, lacking Borman, Anders and an autopen by Collins.

The other item is nicely autographed by all twelve moonwalkers and, as such, quite a rare item. This was on eBay approximately 20 years ago and was offered by Kotte-Autographs.

But of note is the dividing line that makes it appear like two separate parts were put together, with the Armstrong/Aldrin autographs on one part and the other ten on another. If so, it's just a two part signed item, with two on one part and 10 on the other and not completely signed by all 12 together on one item — hard to determine and who knows?

On the eBay printout, Kotte does state: "All twelve on one image."

Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-04-2023 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mistake Bob as I had forgotten it was Aldrin lacking on Ray's letter and not Irwin of the 12 moonwalkers. I did have a copy of it from Burton, however, I have no idea where it is. So Borman and Anders were not included along with the Collins autopen. Thanks for clearing that up.

It does look like all of the other non-flown Apollo signed astronauts were in some way Apollo backup assigned (Joe Engle and ex-original prime), others for astronaut mission and science support, and/or for specific Capcom appointed positions.

The only astronaut signature not at all related to Apollo would be John Glenn, but of course, the pioneer astronaut-turned US Senator is such an iconic figure in our nation's manned spaceflight history along with first astronaut Alan Shepard having also signed as an Apollo flight commander and moonwalker.

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posted 01-04-2023 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for sake of context, anyone know what the best estimates of the current value of the NASA memo signed by 20+ astronauts and of the eBay print?

MikeSpace
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posted 01-05-2023 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeSpace   Click Here to Email MikeSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, there is the "Moonwalkers" litho, signed by 11 of the 12, I have no idea if Neil ever signed one after the release for an individual.

Bob M
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posted 01-05-2023 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
Perhaps the ultimate "holy grail" astronaut collection would be having all the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronaut signatures on a single piece.

Some years ago a super collector/accumulator/investor acquired a NASA litho from Superior Auctions that had autographs of the majority of all the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo flown astronauts on it.

It was an excellent litho ("Apollo Manned Mission Emblems") that pictured all eleven Apollo emblems, with ten smaller emblems around a larger Apollo 17 emblem in the middle.

After acquiring a number of additional autographs on it, the litho ended up with autographs of all but three of the flown Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts. Only missing were Grissom, White and Anders.

Also, by having all but those three autographs, it resulted in the litho having autographs of every Mercury, Gemini and Apollo crew but four: Mercury-Redstone 4 (Grissom); Gemini-Titan 3 (Grissom); Gemini-Titan 4 (White) and Apollo 8 (Anders); 27 of the 31 crews.

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the signed litho and don't remember if it also had autographs of the Skylab and ASTP crews, which would have required seven more autographs. If it did, it would then have had autographs of every Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab and ASTP astronaut but three.

To continue with this account, the collector passed away several years ago leaving his vast estate of space material to his widow. She has had a few auctions but what was sold was a drop in the bucket of what she was left with, and probably, and sadly, the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo signed litho lies buried with a vast amount of various other space material.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-05-2023 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, indeed, I knew that accumulator-collector and the multi-signed NASA litho referred to. While his widow has released/auctioned off some of his space material in recent years, as Bob pointed out, it's only a small fraction of the entire
collection.

I don't recall that signed litho as having been sold yet, however, Ray Burton's signed NASA letter was sold a while back in a space auction. If I recall, and perhaps Bob can help me out here, it went for over $10K+?

Bob M
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posted 01-06-2023 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While an item autographed by all 12 moonwalkers together is something us collectors can realistically only dream about (my dream ended with an Apollo 14 launch litho autographed by ten of the twelve moonwalkers), but all of us collectors can certainly realistically achieve a collection of individual autographs of all 12 moonwalkers.

The ideal would be all 12 on white spacesuit portraits (WSS), but Jim Irwin WSS lithos are few and far between and sell for more than what most of us would be willing or able to pay.

Then how about business suit portraits? Certainly more doable and cheaper than going the WSS-route and would be impressive.

Flight covers and index cards? Except for Armstrong and Aldrin, all the other moonwalkers signed plenty of covers of their flights, including Jim Irwin. Ironically, Irwin-signed Apollo 15 flight covers are relatively plentiful, but certainly not his WSS lithos. Many have always wondered about that since he was a great signer for years and early on charged only $5 to sign anything and even would provide a signed litho of him on the moon for that $5.

For those with somewhat limited funds, it looks like a mixture of various items (photos, covers, cards, etc.) is a good way to achieve a complete set of autographs of all 12 Apollo moonwalkers.

By the way, get all your moonwalker autographs while you can because it looks like the new corps of Artemis astronauts who will climb aboard SLS rockets and fly around and land on the moon may not be as accommodating with their autographs as the Apollo astronauts were, going by the current state of astronaut autograph cooperation - or lack of - which is not as it used to be, by far.

If all goes well with Artemis, the autographs of the next man, and woman, on the moon will be very hard to find and also not applied overly well, going by current experiences.

Bob M
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posted 01-08-2023 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've located an old photo of a book's title page autographed by all 12 moonwalkers. It contains the autographs of all 12 moonwalkers plus autographs of various other astronauts, including three lunar astronauts.

Of note is an Alan Shepard autopen, but his authentic autograph evidently was applied later to have it complete by all 12 moonwalkers.

This is a very special complete moonwalker signed item, as all autographs certainly appear authentic and are well-applied.

I've located scans of two other moonwalker signed photos, but in each case one autograph appears suspect. One has a suspect Armstrong and the other a suspect Young. The suspect Young is of interest, as for years Young absolutely refused to sign any moonwalker autographed item to complete it citing that that would greatly increase its value. So possibly the owner couldn't wait and had a Young forgery applied so it would appear complete and be valuable.

Being a wise person, Young probably declined to sign such things waiting until he retired from NASA so he could start signing for a handsome fee and did so on several occasions at Novaspace. Us collectors were happy for those opportunities.

His charge at Novaspace for his autograph completing an item — such as a crew signed photo/cover — was much higher than for just his autograph on a non-signed item. We can just imagine what his fee would have been for signing and completing a moonwalker photo with his autograph being number twelve!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 01-08-2023 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "Exploring the Moon..." book depicted above, Bob, was the exact same one that I was addressing in my prior posting that I had from Louis Newman many years ago. I am glad that someone (thanks Bob) did locate a copy of it as I more than likely mailed you a xerox copy of it long ago.

If I now recall some of the details about it, Shepard's autograph was more likely obtained in person here on the Space Coast during one of my private signings with the first Mercury astronaut and 5th moonwalker.

The reason why I decided to part with it was because the book had been personalized, was signed on the inside page (books are not my favorite items in being signed) and contained a few signatures of astronauts that didn't fly on Apollo, but later on Skylab and Shuttle. Also, because of the obvious Shepard autopen, I had felt was a big detraction from the overall piece. It was good seeing it again.

Bob M
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posted 01-08-2023 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking that the "Exploring the Moon..." copy shown above came from you and we hope it's found a happy home.

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posted 02-06-2023 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my Moonwalker 11 glossy photo. Sadly a bit creased but beggars can't be choosers...

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