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NASAROB
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posted 05-17-2009 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NASAROB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My understanding is that when we hopefully go back to the moon, the Orion capsule will remain unmanned in lunar orbit while the entire crew lands on the Moon. Isn't this extremely risky? What happens when Altair returns to lunar orbit for docking and there is a problem with Orion. Is that the day we see 10 to 15 year old memos about how NASA officials were warned about this problem?

capoetc
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posted 05-17-2009 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably nothing to be concerned about. Who knows what will come out of the Administration's review of NASA. The entire Constellation program could be changed.

Delta7
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posted 05-17-2009 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that due to improved technology since Apollo, there will be enough reliability and redundancy built in to the design to make the risk minimal. I presume it will also likely be easier to launch a rescue mission, with Altair having the ability to spend some time in lunar orbit with a crew on board in such an event. But again, I'm just guessing. I'm sure NASA has considered the problem.

Lou Chinal
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posted 05-22-2009 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The technolgy has improved since Apollo. I would have no problem puting Orion in a power down (sleep mode) for 30 days. Still having a rescue mission standing by isn't a bad idea.

Mike Collins wrote that he was "horrified" at the prospect of flying home alone during Apollo 11.

NASAROB
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posted 05-23-2009 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NASAROB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But isn't the problem of a rescue mission that the ascent stage would have to carry enough oxygen for a crew of four to survive until a rescue craft got there.

Does Orion have enough power to get out of earth-orbit solo or does it need a booster stage? In that case you would have to launch Ares V with the booster.

Also you need extra fuel to land and liftoff from the moon.

How long would it take to get the rescue craft there? A week, maybe 10 days?

MichaelD
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posted 06-12-2009 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MichaelD   Click Here to Email MichaelD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I was one of those four, I bet there would be a bit of precision maneuvering and EVA myself to that Orion hatch to motivate Orion into letting me in and taking me home. Even the Apollo hatch could be opened from the outside in an emergency.

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