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posted 04-12-2024 01:05 PM            

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I have a bad feeling about this...

I saw a trailer for the film, which includes footage of a fake Apollo 11 landing being shot on a movie stage. Shades of "Capricorn 1." At least that was about a fictional future Mars landing, not a historic, factual Moon landing. I can't think of any circumstances where this is going to be appropriate.

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posted 04-12-2024 01:18 PM               

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The film received NASA's permission to film at Kennedy Space Center and to use the agency's logo, which means the space agency had script approval. That doesn't mean everything has to be factual, but it does have to show NASA in a good light.

The trailer makes it clear that they aren't faking the moon landing — the mission is proceeding — but they are filming a backup to show the world should something go wrong. While clearly fictional, there are also parallels to real-life events.

The CIA considered putting debris under LC-14 in the event that John Glenn's Mercury-Atlas 6 launch went awry, so the U.S. could blame the tragedy on Cuba. Obviously, that is not the same as trying to get the world to believe we successfully landed on the moon when we didn't, but it is still a subterfuge.

And, as pointed out in the article and has been discussed a few times on this forum, NBC and CBS staged simulations to fill in when live video was not available. In essence, they too were faking the moon landing in real time on national television, though they labeled it as such so there was no confusion.

"Fly Me to the Moon" is a work of fiction, but has hooks into the real-life efforts to market the moon landings to the American public and the world. Personally, from what we've seen so far, it looks like fun.

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posted 04-12-2024 04:19 PM            

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Robert, I really can't see any justification for Hollywood encouraging Moon-hoax idiots by suggesting that a fake Moon-landing was being filmed "just in case." In case of what? If the Saturn V had blown up, we would have seen it. If the LM had crashed, we would have heard it live. If the TV camera had failed, the TV networks (as you point out) would have shown simulations to support the live audio. If the LM had failed to launch from the Moon, the (real) live Moonwalk TV would already have been shown, and there would have been no way to hide the deaths of the crew.

By the way, to say that NBC and CBS were "in essence... faking the Moon landing in real time on national television" is absurd. There was no confusion because there is no way to confuse an acknowledged simulation for a deliberate fake designed to fool people.

It is clear from the comments which follow the YouTube trailer that there are a lot of people concerned that this is going to be a bonanza for Moon-hoax supporters. I'm afraid that the age-group most likely to watch this in the cinemas won't be able to distinguish comedy/satire from historical reality. And so it will go on.

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posted 04-13-2024 08:11 AM               

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Its a movie! A comedy movie! You're acting like professional movie critics. C'mon man... clearly NASA got it.

I'm looking forward to being 'entertained,' not 'educated.'

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posted 04-13-2024 12:55 PM            

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Robert, it isn't necessary to set out to encourage deliberately if one's actions will actually and inevitably encourage. I can't see any way that the plotlines which are clearly set out in the trailer won't encourage, enthuse and embolden the Moon hoax lobby, and I can't see how that is anything but bad news. "Capricorn 1" was "just a movie" but it arguably turbocharged a whole industry.

I agree that it won't make any difference to the people who could be flown to Tranquillity Base and still wouldn't believe Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon, but it will make a difference to people who will watch all the stuff in this film about faking a Moonwalk on a movie set and will say to themselves (and to each other, and to others) "Hmmm... it makes you think. Looks like the government did fake it after all."

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posted 04-13-2024 01:42 PM               

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The little the trailer shows of the fake moon landing shows it as being a farce. The actor-astronauts are fighting, there is a fire and Scarlett Johansson's character is regretting her choice of director. It's not exactly a convincing argument that the moon landing could be faked.

The trailer also gives no hint if the backup will even be needed. History could play out in the movie exactly as it did in real life, with Apollo 11 being a success.

As Scott (mercsim) said, it's a movie. It is best to enjoy it (or not) for what is, not what you think others might think of it.

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posted 04-13-2024 02:01 PM               

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
... It is best to enjoy it (or not) for what is, not what you think others might think of it.

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Or just don't see it, a tactic I take with ... pretty much everything coming out of Hollywood today.