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Topic: ISS Expedition 13 and Soyuz TMA-8 insignia
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Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
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posted 12-09-2005 07:30 PM
   
Alex Panchenko posted photographs and details to his website of the (newly announced) Expedition 13 crew official emblem and proposed Soyuz TMA-8 patch. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 55337
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-05-2006 06:15 PM
Here is the crew's official Sokol portrait: |
MSS
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From: Europe
Registered: May 2003
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posted 01-13-2006 07:55 AM
Yesterday, during the Expedition 13 crew press conference in Houston on NASA TV, Marcus Pontes had shown his Soyuz TMA-8 patch and it was different then the Panchenko one! Does somebody have this picture? |
Jacques van Oene
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From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 01-13-2006 12:04 PM
See our site and when asked by reporters the crew said that the TMA-8 patch was designed by Vinogradov, and so my guess is also Panchenko. |
Ben
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From: United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 01-13-2006 05:36 PM
Is this the first time since early shuttle that a patch was not officially approved in conjunction with AB Emblem? |
keith.wilson
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From: Isle of Gigha, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 01-14-2006 01:36 PM
It is interesting to note that the image of the 'official' patch has it with a yellow border with the word 'expedition' in English. Panchenko has two versions — a blue rimmed patch with 'expedition' in English for Williams and a red rimmed patch with 'expedition' in Russian for Vinogradov.I have a feeling that we might well see AB Emblem producing the 'official' version with the yellow border at the usual price. However if you want the individual designs then Panckenko looks like the only option.  |
Jacques van Oene
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From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 01-15-2006 12:59 PM
There are now three different Soyuz TMA-8 patches made by Panchenko. |
johntosullivan
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From: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 01-24-2006 09:26 AM
On Soyuz TMA-8, why did Alex Panchenko issue the retro-style rocket patch, issue it for a photo shoot and then go on to produce the blue, red and silver TMA-8 patches?At this stage it's not even two different designers competing to have their patch adopted, it's not the official NASA approved patch versus the patch designed by the cosmonauts' friend and worn during the flight. It's Panchenko vs. Panchenko. |
Bill Hunt
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From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 01-24-2006 03:56 PM
It's interesting that the TMA-8 patch in some of the crew pictures is the blue-outlined version. They are both wearing it. Maybe that can be considered the official TMA-8 patch then? |
pokey
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-24-2006 05:24 PM
I'm assuming that NASA saw the red outlined and blue outlined ISS-13 patches and told Vinogradov and Williams they could only go with one. |
Robert Pearlman
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From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-07-2006 06:06 PM
On the topic of Expedition 13 patches, we received an e-mail from AB Emblem regarding their NASA-approved version of the emblem: At this time, [NASA is] ordering only a limited amount of emblems, because there may be another crew member added to the team. This in turn, would add another name to the emblem... We plan at this time to make only those for which we have orders. |
MSS
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From: Europe
Registered: May 2003
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posted 02-09-2006 02:21 PM
Vinogradov was wearing another patch on his suit in Star City yesterday. |
pokey
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-09-2006 10:06 PM
The patch on Vinogradov's left chest is his personal patch. He's from Siberia. It's the Earth from the vantage point of Siberia/Alaska with a star on his hometown. On the right is a polar bear with his front legs on the earth. Then there is the Big Dipper and Polaris star. I think it says in Cyrillic "Vinogradov" and under then Pilot Cosmonaut. I first saw it briefly a few weeks ago.  |
Jacques van Oene
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From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 02-17-2006 01:02 PM
Jeff Williams has now been seen wearing a yellow/gold Expedition 13 patch. So he is not wearing the blue bordered Panchenko patch. Now is he wearing an AB Emblem patch? |
MSS
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From: Europe
Registered: May 2003
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posted 03-11-2006 02:11 AM
European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut Thomas Reiter has been added to the crew.Here is Thomas Reiter's ESA patch as part of the long duration Expedition 13:  And the new Expedition 13 patch with Reiter's name:  |
Jacques van Oene
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From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 07-06-2006 03:11 PM
The Expedition 13 crew photo was updated by NASA and released. |
lucspace
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From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 07-06-2006 03:27 PM
Interesting! Do we know if the crew took along copies of the new patch and who produced it and how do we get our hands on it? |
Robert Pearlman
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Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-06-2006 03:28 PM
AB Emblem has produced the new version of the patch (with Reiter). |
Bill Hunt
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From: Irvine, CA
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 07-06-2006 04:17 PM
Nice that AB has the new one ready so quickly. |
Tom
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From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 07-06-2006 06:40 PM
I'm kind of surprised they didn't design the patch showing the German flag originating from Florida. |
lucspace
Member Posts: 533
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 07-07-2006 01:09 AM
The new AB Emblem patch version offered for sale has Reiter's name, but not the German flag... an artefact or is this the version actually produced? |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 325
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 07-07-2006 01:31 AM
Seems that the patch looks like what AB Emblem tells about it: NASA has approved the Expedition 13 — 3 man crew emblem design adding the name Reiter in the lower part of the emblem. Thomas Reiter is joining the crew and will spend six months on the International Space Station. This brings the crew to three for the first time in three years. Other crew members already on station are Jeff Williams and Pavel Vinogradov. Taking the two name version and add the name "Reiter." |
Robert Pearlman
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Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-14-2006 02:03 PM
I spoke with AB Emblem today, which in turn spoke with NASA yesterday. Apparently, the insignia artwork which shows the German flag is not the official NASA emblem; it was only created/altered in honor of Reiter's launch. The official three-man insignia only adds Reiter's name and no other elements to the previously seen design. As such, AB Emblem's patch will only add Reiter's name. The version with the third flag will not be worn aboard the station nor ever produced as a patch, says AB Emblem. |
Harald Kraenzel
Member Posts: 325
From: Dinslaken,Germany
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted 07-14-2006 02:28 PM
This information indeed is interesting as all pictures of the new three-man patch I saw as of today show this third flag. Just for official meetings or presentations this "three flag" patch is shown.Does anyone know a picture showing the patch AB Emblem now will make except the one shown on their internet site? |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 3104
From: Titusville, FL
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 07-14-2006 02:35 PM
It will be interesting to see if in any PAO event for the duration of Expedition 13 you see any or all crew members wearing a version with the German flag as well as Reiter's name.This certainly adds a new and interesting wrinkle to patch collecting. |
keith.wilson
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From: Isle of Gigha, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 07-14-2006 04:13 PM
Very strange indeed — I believe both AB Emblem and NASA PAO are wrong on this one!The 'official' photos of the insignia and the crew on NASA and ESA websites show the three flag patch. The NASA description actually states: 'with trailing elements from the country flags representing each of the THREE crew members'. The three flag patch is also visible in one of the recent downloaded photos from the ISS. The photo shows a welcome banner with the two flag insignia on the left and the three flag insignia on the right. See S121-E-05895 (6 July 2006).  Decals of the three flag patch have been available to the crew but I haven't to date seen an embroidered three flag patch being worn by the crew. |
KSCartist
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From: Titusville, FL
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 07-14-2006 05:26 PM
The three name-three flag patch is on NASA TV, it's on NASA's website the crew is wearing it in the crew photo — it's on the welcome banner aboard ISS. That's enough proof for me to view it as official.Someone at AB Emblem has decided that it would be too costly to create new patches due to the time sensitive nature of crew patches in general. Somewhere, someone will produce a faithful good quality embroidered patch with all three flags, and when they do I'll buy one. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 55337
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-14-2006 06:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
Someone at AB Emblem has decided...
While I can certainly see why this might be the perception, it does not work that way. NASA is AB Emblem's prime customer when it comes to these patches, and its the space agency that dictates what is to be produced and when (for proof of this, you only need to remember the recent delays experienced by AB Emblem delivering mission and expedition patches because NASA hadn't yet approved the artwork). That said, I did go back to AB Emblem today and provided them with evidence (some of which was raised by this thread) that their NASA contact is mistaken. |
Jacques van Oene
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Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 07-21-2006 11:32 AM
Will AB Emblem make a three man, three flag version, yes or no? |
keith.wilson
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From: Isle of Gigha, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 08-06-2006 01:22 PM
The Expedition 13 crew patch worn on the EVA suits by Reiter and Williams during the ISS EVA last week was the 'three flag' patch. The patch is visible in the following two photos.Now if this doesn't make this patch 'official' I don't know what does.  
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KSCartist
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From: Titusville, FL
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 08-06-2006 02:30 PM
The patch shown looks like a decal or silk screened on the Beta cloth.Maybe the crew couldn't get an embroidered patch either. |
Robert Pearlman
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Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-06-2006 02:54 PM
To my knowledge, all modern EMU patches are silk-screened on a Beta cloth-like material (but not classic Beta cloth). They are in-turn attached to blank slave patches, which are sewn directly to the suit, so that the astronaut can retain his/her EVA emblems. Embroidered patches do not leave the inner cabin or station module.Last I heard (last week), AB hasn't yet shipped their three-man version of the patch and I do not believe any were aboard STS-121. It will be interesting to see what appears after STS-115 comes and go from the station. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-23-2006 03:44 PM
I received today a reply from NASA PAO regarding the Expedition 13 patch and its different versions: The graphic with the flag is the most official.There were a couple of versions of the Expedition 13 crew patch because there were some changes, such as the addition of Thomas. The Astronaut Office approved the production order of the patch before the version with the German flag was realized. Therefore, while the three-man, three-flag version is the "official" insignia, the three-man, two flag version is the "official" patch. |
keith.wilson
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From: Isle of Gigha, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 09-08-2006 03:23 PM
The Expedition 13 crew have added their insignia to the collection of mission decals aboard the ISS. Interestingly the Expedition 13 crew have added two decals to the collection — one with two flags and two names and a second with three flags and three names. The two flags and three name insignia is nowhere to be seen! The ISS mission insignia can be viewed in the following NASA photo:  |
TRaimonde
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From: Williston Park, NY
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 09-09-2006 07:42 PM
I stumbled upon an interesting variant of the Expedition 13 patch that I haven't seen documented any place else. It's a three name, two flag version, but the U.S. flag/stripe is not the stars and stripes, but three bands of red, yellow, and blue. The other flag/stripe is still the Russian flag.I purchased it from the Space Store in Houston, who claims that AB supplies their patches. However, their website still has an image of the two name, two flag. Does anyone know anything about this variant, or at least seen it elsewhere? |
spaceman
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From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 09-10-2006 07:59 AM
Here are even clearer photos of the three-name/three-flag patch, with one being autographed by Jeff Williams.  
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Robert Pearlman
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Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-12-2006 08:28 PM
And here's the two flag/three name version onboard the ISS in what appears to be embroidered patch form. |
lucspace
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From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 09-27-2006 01:23 PM
Just behind Anousheh Ansari, that's a three-name, three-flag embroidered version, isn't it? So who produced this, and is it available anywhere? |
Gator
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From: Crawfordville, FL USA
Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 09-27-2006 02:28 PM
Luc, those patches hanging up there was purchased from me (Randy Hunt). I was told they would be on board but really didn't believe the person was serious. Thanks for pointing them out. |
keith.wilson
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From: Isle of Gigha, Argyll, Scotland
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 12-10-2006 12:22 PM
See this photo for a collection of patches related to Thomas Reiter on the ISS: |
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