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Captain Apollo
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posted 02-23-2022 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Captain Apollo   Click Here to Email Captain Apollo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any news?

Space Cadet Carl
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posted 02-25-2022 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Cadet Carl   Click Here to Email Space Cadet Carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Blackarrow:
Much of the colour had degraded in the Spacecraft Films video of the moonwalks.
Unfortunately, I have to agree, however I'm still VERY grateful for Mark Gray producing those terrific DVD sets twenty years ago.

I wonder if those old tapes were processed by Peter Jackson's supercomputers what would happen? What Jackson accomplished with the "They Shall Not Grow Old" and The Beatles "Get Back" documentaries was nothing short of astounding.

apollo16uvc
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posted 02-25-2022 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo16uvc   Click Here to Email apollo16uvc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was certainly a picture... sort of.

Blackarrow
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posted 02-26-2022 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While very instinct, that picture certainly shows Eagle on the Moon, with the U.S. flag right of centre.

Buel
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posted 02-26-2022 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buel   Click Here to Email Buel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by apollo16uvc:
There was certainly a picture... sort of.
I'm truly very sorry to hear this. All the same?

apollo16uvc
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posted 02-26-2022 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo16uvc   Click Here to Email apollo16uvc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The actual picture on the tape is probably much better. The poor quality is because these Type A NTSC tapes were played back in a Type C PAL tape, just to verify what was on them.

Captain Apollo
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posted 03-01-2022 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Captain Apollo   Click Here to Email Captain Apollo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So where does that leave you? The tapes are NTSC and there is definitely vintage Apollo on them. What now?

apollo16uvc
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posted 03-01-2022 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo16uvc   Click Here to Email apollo16uvc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably send them to DCVideo in the US and have them transferred for 300 USD per tape. They have transferred NASA video tapes before, including the 2" quadruplex tapes that sold for a mil some time ago.

Buel
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posted 03-01-2022 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buel   Click Here to Email Buel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t have much to my name but if you started a Kickstarter campaign or similar, I’d contribute.

holcombeyates
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posted 03-01-2022 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for holcombeyates   Click Here to Email holcombeyates     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a great bit of news. Yes happy also to contribute, via Kickstarter, etc.

A cousin of mine who is also very interested in this thread and an expert recommends this guy in Holland who might be able to do it also.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-01-2022 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As much as I understand the allure, is there any reason to think the end product will be any different than what is already available?

Is anyone suggesting such?

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posted 03-01-2022 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for holcombeyates   Click Here to Email holcombeyates     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’d say the physical condition of the tapes should be assessed by a conservator to determine if they are physically sound or need cleaning before transfer. You might want to consider this before putting them in a mechanical deck before they have been wound and inspected by hand somehow.

I would try the BBC tech dept as mentioned further up this thread. Never hurts to ask.

Would love to do a short written article on this someday!

apollo16uvc
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posted 03-02-2022 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo16uvc   Click Here to Email apollo16uvc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is pretty certain now these do not contain BBC footage.

Thankfully the tapes do play very nicely, no oxide shedding.

From what I have been able to determine from the first few minutes there is NBC footage on them, and maybe some ABC or a direct NASA feed.

NBC footage is all there from quad masters.

ABC footage is not all there, neither is all the mission control footage. The tapes could possibly contain lost footage of that, and maybe other channels too.

I will be making a video detailing everything, and possible ways to support the project if people want to.

Space Cadet Carl
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posted 03-02-2022 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Cadet Carl   Click Here to Email Space Cadet Carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There might be some network coverage that we've never seen before. Again, the real Apollo 11 "holy grail", the slow-scan data tapes were determined to be erased sometime in the late 1970's or early 1980's.

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posted 04-28-2022 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apollo16uvc   Click Here to Email apollo16uvc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately DCVideo will not be able to digitize my tapes without written permission from the networks that may be on the tapes. From the sound I can ID Walter Cronkite, CBS. But it is possible channels were switched between tapes or even in a single tape.

Chicken and egg problem, how will I be able to ID the networks without having footage to preview?

So I will have to look elsewhere for transfers.

I know the wait has been very long, so here is a Google Drive link that has some minutes of the landing and second EVA tape that I played briefly on a type C machine.


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