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Topic: Spacecraft Films Apollo 15, Apollo 17 sets
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Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1495 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-17-2020 07:20 PM
In the opinions of cS'ers, which Spacecraft Films' DVD set — Apollo 15 or Apollo 17 — do you consider best? |
Lasv3 Member Posts: 440 From: Bratislava, Slovakia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted 11-18-2020 07:45 AM
I have to say that all Spacecraft Films space missions sets are excellent, it is the most complete collection of the missions related material in one place.Choosing between the Apollo 15 and 17 I find the latter to be a slightly better one. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3240 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 11-18-2020 09:03 AM
It's hard to reach a definitive conclusion on this, but these points might be considered: - There were a number of unique TV moments on Apollo 15, such as the clearest Apollo TV of astronauts climbing down the LM ladder; the deployment of the lunar rover; the "hammer and feather" demonstration; and the first live LM launch footage.
- Apollo 15 provides surface movie footage showing the mountainous "terrain" and the first footage from a rover driving along. There was no lunar surface movie footage on Apollo 17.
- The quality of the Apollo 17 EVA television was higher because of the enhancement process introduced on Apollo 16.
- There is much better coverage (including movie footage) of the deep-space EVA on Apollo 17.
- The Apollo 15 splashdown coverage is more dramatic because of the collapsed parachute.
- On Apollo 15, the training footage is silent. The equivalent on Apollo 17 is accompanied by audio from various press-conferences, etc.
One point that is hard to quantify without a meticulous comparison is the quantity of lunar surface EVA TV during which all or most of the colour is missing or distorted (a feature, I believe, of video-tape deterioration over the decades). This is found on both sets. Some EVA footage uses the original telecine recordings made on 16mm movie film off TV monitors. This often provides a better memory of the colour TV I remember watching live, with the lunar surface and mountains often a slightly golden-brown hue. The other tell-tale sign of colour deterioration in the actual video recordings is the red stripes on the suits of Dave Scott and Gene Cernan. Sometimes they are red, sometimes colourless, sometimes a weird greenish colour. I don't think you could say one set is better than the other on accurate colour. One isolated point which springs to mind is that the Apollo 15 sequence showing Scott and Irwin finding and sampling the Genesis Rock is presented in telecine, and for me this is quite satisfactory as it preserves the original colour of a key moment. |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1495 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-18-2020 03:21 PM
Couldn't want for a better summary Geoffrey.  I have a pristine set of Apollo 15 but wanted an evaluation of the last flight. Thanks a lot. |
Colin Anderton Member Posts: 209 From: Great Britain Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 11-19-2020 03:12 PM
I have to say I think all the video tapes of the EVAs from Johnson Space Centre have been copied incorrectly; the gold foil on the LM, for example, looks pink.I went through all the video from the Spacecraft Films sets — dubbing with the audio as broadcast live, including the PAO — and was able to adjust the colours back to the original hues. |
BA002 Member Posts: 194 From: Utrecht,NL Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 12-13-2020 03:40 PM
Get them all!When I first found out about these DVDs I was so excited that I bought the Apollo 17 set, it being my favourite mission, before I even owned a DVD player and thinking that that one set would completely satisfy my hunger for Apollo lunar surface footage. And then over the years I gradually bought them all and they all have their own unique addition to the complete story. As mentioned, you need Apollo 15 for the rover deployment. But Apollo 16 has the best DAC coverage on the surface. Apollo 12 has the best scenes of the LM slowly drifting away from the CSM, Apollo 10 has frequent TV coverage of the trans lunar coast giving you an idea of that part of the journey, and so on. And in the end, each mission is a journey of discovery in itself and I have thoroughly enjoyed joining that journey through these DVDs. |
Space Cadet Carl Member Posts: 252 From: Lake Orion, Michigan Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 12-15-2020 06:25 PM
As much as I absolutely love those Spacecraft Films sets, I'll admit I was slightly disappointed in the quality of some of the source tapes of the Apollo 15, 16 and 17 lunar EVAs. When CBS shows off a few seconds of videotape from those flights... the color and contrast really pops off the screen straight at you. I'd like to see those EVAs remastered using the latest 2020 computer enhancement tricks. | |
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