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Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 10-16-2007 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several years ago on our website at Boggs SpaceBooks, we said that at some point in the future, we'd devote a web page to the "holy grails" of SpaceBooks.

That time has now come and we need your help. We're soliciting your nominations for the Top 20 grails of SpaceBooks, those books which are the rarest and most desirable. We have some ideas about this, but we want to hear from you in a two step process.

First, we're seeking nominations. From now until October 30th, you can nominate your selections at this link.

On November 1st, we'll post our selection of the books most nominated and ask you to vote on the top 20 books. About 2 weeks later, we'll unveil our page of the winners, along with images and descriptions.

Some books become grails by virtue of the particular edition or having been signed by certain person(s) and you can specify this in your nomination.

Our only requirement is that at least one copy of the book in question must actually exist. For example, although a Gus Grissom SIGNED copy of "Grissom" would certainly be highly desirable, this is not possible because Grissom died before the book went to press.

Please take the time to help out collectors by placing one or more books in nomination.

Donald & Tamara Boggs
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Philip
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posted 10-19-2007 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Donald, would the result lead to a separate webpage at Boggsspace.com where the covers of the Top 20 will be shown?

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 10-19-2007 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all of the submissions. We have received about 250 nominations so far.

Philip, after all the voting, we will have a page on our website with the Top 20 and images from the volumes.

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 11-03-2007 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We missed the November 1st target date to open the vote for the holy grails. We were inundated with submissions and have just about sorted these out.

The final voting will be open Tuesday November the 6th in the evening, EST.

We will actually be proposing two holy grail lists--one collectible and the other rare contributions to spaceflight literature. This will be the final vote to select the final vote.

More information Tuesday evening.

Philip
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posted 11-05-2007 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
24 hours to go...

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 11-06-2007 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The final voting for the Top 20 "holy grails" SpaceBooks is now open!

Due to the nature of the entries and by popular demand, we have decided to create two different Top 20 lists, so please read this carefully before voting.

One list is comprised of the rarest SpaceBooks which contribute the most to our understanding of spaceflight. The second list is comprised of the rarest Signed SpaceBooks.

Please take the time to vote in both surveys. The polls close November 14 at Midnight EST.

Vote for the rarest SpaceBooks which contribute the most to our understanding of spaceflight here.

Vote for the rarest Signed SpaceBooks here.

Only one vote in each category per household please!

We'll announce the Top 20 "holy grails" in each category within 2 weeks!

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 11-07-2007 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After receiving some great counsel, we've posted the nominations at our website so voters can see all of the nominees before voting.

nasamad
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posted 11-07-2007 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I don't know about you guys but I found myself voting that anything signed by Von Braun had to go in the top 20.

He could have signed a roll of toilet paper and I'd have voted it in!

Philip
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posted 11-08-2007 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the first vote on books is the most important... just get it signed afterwards. Although the autographs of Dr von Braun & Dr Armstrong are exceptions as no longer to get...

Philip
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posted 11-15-2007 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some remarks:

Most of the books are Apollo or pre-Apollo and I expected the "Apollo 11 Preliminary Science Report" among the Grails.

We might have to set up a second series for books dedicated to Unmanned space missions (books such as the "Mariner Mars 1964 Handbook" and the "Voyager Uranus Travel Guide" sure are Grails for those who love unmanned spaceflight).

art540
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posted 11-15-2007 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for art540   Click Here to Email art540     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second the unmanned space books classification...

Lunar Impact: A History of Project Ranger 1977 and Project Vanguard 1961 would be two candidates.

Philip
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posted 11-16-2007 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking forward to the Boggsspace webpage with the final results!

mjanovec
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posted 11-16-2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly, I think you left out the best signed book example I've ever seen...Tahir's copy of "We Seven" signed by nearly all of the early astronauts including all 12 moonwalkers. ANYTHING with all 12 moonwalkers qualifies as holy grail material, as far as I'm concerned.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-16-2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mjanovec:
ANYTHING with all 12 moonwalkers qualifies as holy grail material, as far as I'm concerned.
While I certainly agree, if we were to just imagine for a moment, assuming all were still living and all were still signing, would "We Seven" be the ideal medium for their signatures? Obviously, given reality, beggers cannot be choosers, but if we were to limit ourselves to just published works, what would be the holy grail book to be signed by the moondust-dirty dozen?

mjanovec
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posted 11-16-2007 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Obviously, given reality, beggers cannot be choosers, but if we were to limit ourselves to just published works, what would be the holy grail book to be signed by the moondust-dirty dozen?

While I agree there may be a better volume to have all 12 moonwalkers sign, I don't think I've seen any other examples (though I suspect others do exist).

I guess the question is whether the poll was to vote on actual examples or to vote on hypothetical examples. I initially thought the poll was to vote on actual examples...perhaps I was mistaken. If the poll were simply to vote on hypothetical examples, I don't recall seeing any titles listed that were hypothetically signed by all 12 moonwalkers.

Either way, I think when one talks about "holy grails" of signed space-related items (whether it be in books, on photos, etc.), having all 12 moonwalkers on one item is a holy grail to many people.

gliderpilotuk
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posted 11-17-2007 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Mark.

Hypothetically I submitted "X-15 Diary" signed by Mike Adams and whilst I have a copy signed by 5 including Walker, Armstrong & McKay, I've never seen an Adams signed book.

My favourite for having all 12 MW sign would be Footprints by MacKinnon and Baldanza.

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posted 11-17-2007 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd go for having the NASA SP "Where No Man Has Gone Before" signed by all 12 moonwalkers.

Gilbert
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posted 11-17-2007 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul, I agree. Footprints by MacKinnon and Baldanza signed by all 12 moonwalkers would indeed be a Holy Grail.

Aztecdoug
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posted 12-04-2007 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is the vote tally coming? I am on pins and needles!

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 12-04-2007 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The voting is complete and we are just finishing up the website lists.

There was one book which we did not have in our personal collection and we had to track down a copy to display a cover image.

This was no small feat!

We hope to have the list up Thursday evening EST.

Thanks for all the interest.

Philip
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posted 12-05-2007 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking forward to that Donald!

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I am disappointed that Aerojet: The Creative Company was excluded.

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 12-05-2007 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We will debut the two lists on our website Thursday evening EST, December 6th.

This has been an interesting process and no doubt there are many who will disappointed that their favorite was not among those selected by those of you who voted. At the same time, some will be pleased to see that a book they have is on the list.

Some observations:

  1. Though rarity can be documented, value is much more subjective and we note that opinions varied among the voters.
  2. Though we provided a brief description of the volumes nominated, we're aware that by definition, the "holy grails" are less known and this no doubt complicated the voting.
  3. Tamara and I did not vote, nor manipulate the list in any way. Although the rankings surprised us a bit, we agreed for the most part.
  4. This should not be construed as the "definitive list". Tamara and I could legitimately add another 40 or 50 and so could many of you. But, it is a popularly selected list and as a result, represents a broad range of views.
  5. We have only a couple of these volumes in stock. Typically, when we purchase one of these books, it goes right out to someone who has a wish list with us. So, don't expect us to be able to ship a copy!
We hope you enjoy reviewing the list and seeing these scarce and rare books.

Aztecdoug
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posted 12-06-2007 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I'll bite. I can't really comment on the the list of rare contributions because that list is too advanced for my little brain to appreciate.

The list of signed rarities surprised me in some regards and pleased me in others. In many instances there are some where you just nod your head and say, yes that is right on.

I was surprised in that ones I thought might be sort of common made it, and pleased when some of my personal gems were on the list. (Milt Thompson's At the Edge of Space for one. Has anyone else ever seen a signed copy of that one?)

There was one I didn't even realize existed which was the leather bound limited edition version of Hypersonic. Until I opened up the list today and read carefully I had been in the dark on that little gem.

Anyway, this has been a lot of fun to watch unfold. Thanks Donald!

Philip
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posted 12-07-2007 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Superb listing!

I have been collecting since 1976 and I'm still amazed to see how many "early 1960s" volumes there are by Dr von Braun.

I would like to thank Donald & Tamara Boggs for this initiative and for about 10 years of excellent service I got from Boggsspace.com!

gliderpilotuk
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posted 12-07-2007 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like Doug I'm a bit staggered by the results for the signed books. It is obviously reflective of people's individual perceptions/findings over limited periods.

No way is Two Sides of the Moon rarer than The Long Lonely Leap; nor is Carrying the Fire; and there are plenty of signed copies of First on the Moon in circulation ...if you're prepared to pay.

Can we now have the Boggs' rare signed 20, as I'm sure your market knowledge will be more reflective of availability.

Philip
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posted 12-17-2007 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those interested in unmanned spaceflight related books, I wanted to point out that I have listed a few 'rare' books on Pioneer 10 and 11 and Voyager 1 and 2 at the lower right side of my weblog...

Boggs SpaceBooks
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posted 12-17-2007 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boggs SpaceBooks   Click Here to Email Boggs SpaceBooks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Philip, a nice collection of Mars books and magazines indeed!

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I have recently acquired, and added to The Chesley Bonestell Archives, what no doubt is the most "holy grail" of book collecting possible for me. It is Chesley Bonestell's personal copy from his former library of the 1949 first edition of THE CONQUEST OF SPACE. It is signed on the half-title page by both Chesley and his first wife, Mary.

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