posted 06-21-2004 05:48 PM               

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Originally posted by Mike Isbell:
President Clinton's memoir 'My Life' is due to be released next week and our 42nd president will begin a booksigning tour nationwide. I have not read any advance copies of the book ... However, CBS news anchor Dan Rather said last night that 'My Life' is over 900 pages and covers almost every topic of Mr. Clinton's career. I would therefore expect, at a minimum, that there is some disscussion of the evolution of the ISS. ...

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One would hope. Here's a book review from the New York Times that should help set expectations:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/books/20CLIN.html

Since Clinton picked up his pen and wrote "descriptions of long-ago political debates in Arkansas over utility regulation and car license fees" surely he must have written much about America's exploration of space on his watch. Right?

posted 06-24-2004 04:02 PM               

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Originally posted by randyc:
Where can I find a list of the cities that Bill Clinton will be signing books?

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posted 06-27-2004 10:13 PM               

"The next six weeks in Hot Springs were more interesting than I could have imagined. I worked one week helping a sixty-seven-year-old man put up one of Jeff's pre-fab houses in the small settlement of Story, west of Hot Springs. The old guy worked me into the ground every day and shared a lot of his homespun wisdom and country skepticism with me. Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon, beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a man on the moon before the decade was out. The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it had happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that "them television fellers" could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington,I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."

posted 06-28-2004 02:52 PM               

As another former policy wonk, I have the answer to your question "But one wonders what Clinton means when he says that he supported “the upcoming mission to Mars.” What Mars mission?"

The answer is "any". ;-)

And of course the subject of scientific research on Mars must be re-focussed. Are there females on Mars?

;-)

Jürgen

posted 07-09-2004 07:38 PM               

How early did you show up for the signing and how long did you have to stand in line? I'm going to the one in Atlanta and want to get an idea of when to show up.

posted 07-23-2004 01:22 AM               

I was number 204 in line. I must have just missed you. I got there about 5:30 in the morning.

posted 07-23-2004 01:21 PM               

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Originally posted by James Brown:
Gilbert, Rob, and I met early yesterday morning for the Clinton booksigning in Atlanta. Waited a total of 8 1/2 hours to get our books signed. ... The lady who was first in line waited 17 1/2 hours.

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Did the long wait allow you enough time to wade through the book and locate any passages that might be relevant to this dicsussion board? If you were not, then how about the lady that waited for 17+ hours?

posted 09-03-2004 04:13 PM               

Clinton's administration, with his knowledge & insistance, sold space & military technology to the Chinese which enabled them to develop staging rockets. That's a wonderful thing, sell your enemies,(and don't think for a minute that the Chinese are our friends) staging missile technology for $200 million dollars, along with a CRAY computer that was "mislabled" as "electronics parts". It was in the news for 1 day, the DOD was furious at how this could happen but it turns out it was the people in his care who set the deal up. Funny thing, the Chinese suddenly were able to develop a multi-staging rocket that's capable of deliverying nukes to the US, along with putting a Chinese cosmonaut in space. Didn't the US receive a threat that if we intervened in any Taiwan "skirmish", that our cities were targeted by Chinese nukes??? It took this country hundreds of Billions of dollars to develop this technology over 25 years, but Billy give it away for pennies on the dollar. Thanks Mr. Clinton.

How about when Clinton shutdown funding to a Boeing missile project. The manufacturing plant's top secret precision machine shop was put up for sale to the highest bidder, but they had to be confirmed allies. The bids were $20-55 million from the Brits, Germans, Swede's, French and Japan. Turns out that the State Dept under Clintons insistance, sold the machine shop to the Chinese military for $5 million. HUH???????? The State Dept told the DOD that it made a mistake, OOOOps. Ok......when did the State Dept start taking over the role of DRMO or GSA when selling US Gov't top secret property?

Or how about when Clinton turned the largest bituminious coal reserve in the USA into a national park WITHOUT asking or conferring with Utah's senators, congressmen, state legislature or even the Dept of Interior. It turns out that Indonesia wanted to sell us coal, so Clinton asked for and received $20 million towards his campaign fund for the Democrap CREEP fund. 2 days after the DNC received the money, he signed a $2 BILLION dollar, 10 year agreement to import coal from Indonesia, then 3 days after that, turned a big chunk of the Utah desert into a national park without asking anyone from Utah. Ok........what's wrong with this picture and it turns out that even the environmentalists were amazed that he chose this area of worthless desert to protect. That coal reserve, which we might have to use one day, is now off limits forever. Thanks Bill.

Forget about the screwing around with every girl that walks, forget about the constant lies about everything that came out of his mouth, forget about pardoning all of his felon buddies, forget about the very shady business deals, forget about how he cut the NASA budget to bones, forget about how he appointed Goldin (who very few in NASA feel was competent).

How about the fact that he increased taxes in every possible area which just gets passed to us, or how he allowed those who funded the terrorists to walk away unpunished for detonating a bomb in the WTC in 1993. Or how about when he did NOTHING to respond to the US Embassy bombings in Africa or any other terrorist attack. As a result of his policies, we now how arabs flying airplanes into buildings in order to destroy our economic system way of life. Anyone remember the great job he sent our boys to do in Mogadishu ???? He allowed them to be butchered in the streets when he refused to allow an AC-130 Spectre to patrol above them, so as not to offend the local population. Or how about his turning over operational control of OUR armed forces to the UN. It turns out that wasn't such a good idea and he did all of this while gutting the military funding. I've spoken to US Marines out of Ft. Irwin who said they had to drive in Hummers, the tank courses because they didn't have the gas to use real tanks. How many times have we heard of military families who were on welfare and food stamps under the Clinton administration? Great way to treat the people protecting our freedoms around the world.

One last thing, check out the Lauttenberg 1993 immigration law and you'll lose your lunch. It turns out that in order to import more voters for the '96 election, Clinton directed senator Lauttenberg to design a bill that encourages the importation of "refugees" from 3rd world countries around the globe. It turns out that white people are excluded, however, anyone of color is encouraged to participate and all you have to say is that you're discriminated against in your country, so now you're considered a "refugee". The airfare is paid by us, the citizens of this country with our tax dollars, along with every other aspect of this abomination.

Upon arrival in this country, EVERY SINGLE PERSON, REAGARDLESS OF AGE receives a check for $10,000, they are given instant welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, FREE gov't loans up to $1 MILLION dollars and they're flown to whatever city they'd like to settle in. The incredible part is, EVERY SINGLE FLIGHT INTO THE USA from Europe, Asia, Africa or the middle east carries anywhere from 20-80 people from 3rd world countries, just because they've applied for "refugee" status. It turns out that there is such a scam going by bringing in very old people, collecting the money, filiing for free Gov't loans, then skipping off with the cash. Go figure.

I surprised my wife with a 1 month vacation to Europe a few years back for her birthday. We were flying from Prague to NYC, then onto LA and on the flight I noticed a large group of 60+- people who looked like they stepped right out of the Grapes of Wrath. There were 45 people in their 60's or 70's, 10 small kids & babies and 4-5 people of working age. I figured it was a tour, so no big deal. W were in the air for a couple of hours when I went back to the galley to stretch my legs. I asked the stewdess what the deal was with the large group in the back of the plane and that's when she told me about the Lauttenberg immigration law. She flew from JFK to Paris, Prague and Frankfurt on regular runs. She told me that EVERY SINGLE FLIGHT INTO the USA had to make room to carry these "refugees". So I did some research because I couldn't believe what I was hearing and sure enough, it turns out that Clinton was instrumental in pushing through the Lauttenberg law.

Sorry, but Bill & Hillary Clinton are and were the most horrendous & loathsome scumbags ever to occupy the oval office and I wouldn't wipe my rear end with his book of lies.

Just my 50 cents.

Ray

posted 09-03-2004 05:24 PM               

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Originally posted by Spacepsycho:
Sorry, but Bill & Hillary Clinton are and were the most horrendous & loathsome scumbags ever to occupy the oval office and I wouldn't wipe my rear end with his book of lies.

Just my 50 cents.

Ray

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posted 09-05-2004 09:54 PM               

When I posted my rant against Clinton in an attempt to impart the truth about his treasonous terms in office, I had no idea he was about to undergo surgery because I try not to watch the depressing TV news.

However, after I found out, I couldn't care less and I'd post it again. Considering the way he & Hillary have wiped their feet on our constitution and endangered our country's national security, ain't no tears for that piece of garbage.

As far as being psycho, I'm psycho for my 3 year old son, space stuff, for protecting our country's constitution and our freedoms that have been hard won by the blood of millions of US soldiers.

posted 09-05-2004 10:32 PM               

Like it or not, Clinton is admired and loved by billions.

You are apparently someone who's lugging around a satellite looking for Neil Armstrong.

Have a great life, Ray.

posted 09-09-2004 12:32 PM               

I'm not a "right-winger", neither political party tells me what to think and I try to educate myself on what the TRUTH is, regardless of politics. The fact is that I'm an A M E R I C A N and it's unfortunate that you're blinded to the truth about Billy & Hillary. You remind me of a typical psuedo-intellectual "left wing elitist" who's only capable of reguritating & cycling the garbage you're fed on TV, rather than opening your mind to educate yourself to the truth. There are many issues I side with the "left wing", among them, I'm pro-abortion, pro women's rights, very pro stem cell research and many others. However, unlike the "left wing", I am a God loving person who dosen't believe that we must remove all references of the almighty every public venue and school so as not to offend a microscopic minority who apparently hates God in any form.

In case you've chosen to forget, there is such a thing as the 1st Amendment or do you think it only applies to you and your kind? It's interesting to see that when the light of truth is shone on the left wing issues, they all either scurry away because they're incapable of defending their position or they conduct personal attacks in order to blur the truth or to detract attention away from the real issues at hand. You're just the kind of guy Clinton loves, you believe all of the media hype of the day that you're fed and you're allowing others to make your uneducated decisions for you. I'm surprised that you're not holding a midnight vigil in your neighborhood for him as we speak.

As far as Billions of people loving Clinton, I have no doubt that there are 1.4 Billion communist Chinese who adore him for the incredible technology he's sold to them at the detretment of the security of the USA. I'm sure he's loved by most in the middle east for his never responding to the many terrorist attacks against this country. I'm equally sure he's loved by all for encouraging peoples from around the world to flood illegally into this country, then provide them with free medical, welfare and things that would have you thrown out of any other country in the world.

I appreciate your concern about my Lunar Orbiter and I would love to have Neil Armstrong sign it, as well as other M-G-A astronauts. Space is my passion, I think that the M-G-A & Skylab missions were this nations greatest project that showed so many generations what this country is capable of when it has a common goal.

I'm not really "lugging" it around in my car hoping to have an astronaut encounter, however should such an opportunity present itself, I would gladly do what I can to have it further signed. Actually it's sitting in my living room waiting to go to the San Diego Air & Space museum, but my wife isn't going to allow it to stay here long.

It's funny that you mention my Orbiter because at the Burbank show, all of the astronauts were very interested in it, they were all amazingly gracious to sign it, except 1, and everyone who saw it was was facinated by it. There were probably 200 people who asked to take pictures of it, I took many pictures with people standing next to it and I throughly enjoyed others enjoying this rare piece of moon program hardware. You're the only one so far to make a disparaging comment about it, huh....jealous???

In fact, I had 2 space artifact dealers who expressed an interest in selling it for me and one of them told me that they had a private client who would be willing to pay $50,000 after it was signed. He saw it at the show, we spoke for 20-30 minutes about it and on late Sunday when the show was closing, he made me a firm offer to buy it. I was shocked at the generous offer, but it's not for sale because I'd like others to enjoy this rare space artifact of the moon program for a few years. When it's time for my son to go to college in 15 years, I might sell it then, but I neither need the money now, nor would go back on my word to display it in 4-5 museums I've promised it to.

What I don't understand is why you're such a dyed in the wool left winger and you're posting on this board as a supporter of the space program? The Democrat's have always cut the NASA budget after President Kennedy died, in order to give more money to "left wing" voters in the form of welfare, food stamps, other gov't subsidies, along with so many give-a-ways that the democrats are famous for. Then the "left wing" constantly complains that the money spent on the space program has no benefit and the money should be spent on more social programs ie: welfare for lazy people. Imagine the consequences if someone like Clinton had been in office when the space program was just starting out. All of the incredible benefits the world has been gifted by our space program, would not exist, but the poor would all be elevated to a much higher standard of living in the new democrat utopia. NOT !!!

Remember these pearls of wisdom from President Jefferson when he gave a speech on the floor of Congress explaining why only landowners & white men were allowed to vote, and forgive the paraphrasing. Remember, blacks were not considered people back then and women weren't allowed to work. "When the non-land owners, the poor, the slaves and others who contribute NOTHING to the collective betterment of this country, are allowed to vote, then the poor will vote themselves money from the public trust where they have neither a vested interest, nor have they invested of themselves and will shortly destroy our society in short order". Pretty smart for, as the democrats refer to the writers & signers of the Constitution as, a bunch of old dead white guys.

Obviously everyone today is anti-slavery, still 600,000 white guys died in the civil war in what started out as a states rights issued but morphed into a "free the slaves" issue after the Gettysburg Address. Regardless, it was generally the African Chief's who sold their own into slavery, a practice still in use today and while they were essential to the economy of the south, since 1964 more than 7 TRILLION dollars has been given way to the poor, ex-slaves and others who choose not to or cannot work. I'm thinking that this is a REALLY bad return on our investment and that it would have been much better spent on the space program.

Pick up a book and educate yourself, that way you'll actually know what you're talking about next time. Robert, sorry for the long post, but I had to.

Thanks,

Ray

posted 09-09-2004 01:36 PM               

You may not realize it, but your lengthy posts say a lot more about you than those you attack.

Yes there is a First Amendment, but there is also a moderator here named Robert who asked you to refrain from divisive political rants.

posted 09-09-2004 04:54 PM               

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Originally posted by Spacepsycho:
It's funny that you mention my Orbiter because at the Burbank show, all of the astronauts were very interested in it, they were all amazingly gracious to sign it, except 1, and everyone who saw it was was facinated by it. There were probably 200 people who asked to take pictures of it...

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Ray, enjoyed your photo with Buzz Aldrin on the sightings page. Congratulations on your success in accumulating so many signatures on your lunar sat.

Curt

posted 09-09-2004 08:36 PM               

I don't believe that my counter to your inane posts are divisive at all, infact I apparently have to spell out the truth for you, because you're incapable of learning it for yourself. So you can call me anything you want, but call me someone who educates themself on what the truth is and what the facts are.

As far as you reporting me to Robert Pearlman, what are you 6 years old and you're the new hall monitor who has to tell the teacher that I'm a bad man??? Be a man and standup for yourself.

Hey Curt,

Thanks very much for the heads up on the photo in the sightings area. I'm glad you enjoyed it and I had such a great time meeting all of the astronauts and members of this board who introduced themselves to me at the show. I'm going to post a few pics of the astronauts signing it. I didn't even know the photo was posted there and eventhough Buzz was in such demand all day, he was nice enough to spend 5 minutes talking to me about the Orbiter and took a few pics with it. It was the best icebreaker I could have brought to the show and I'm going to have a hard time beating this one for the next show.

Take care,

Ray

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"There are 2 things that are infinite, the Universe and man's stupidity, but I'm not so sure about the Universe". Einstein