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Topic: Autograph group assemblies of space workers
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Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3929 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-18-2024 05:42 PM
Rarely seen are autograph group assemblies of space workers. As a high schooler during the Apollo Program years, not only did I concentrate on acquiring astronaut autographs, I had a passion for working on other space autograph projects throughout the early/mid-1970's.By working on many signature projects, mainly here at Kennedy Space Center, I wanted to focus and concentrate of celebrating the unsung heroes of our space exploration endeavors at the time. This would involve a lot of hard work, first, in contacting the Apollo/Saturn Program directorates, major divisions, and key departments. The early signature collections were of NASA and those primary space industry contractors that all made it possible for Americans to land on the moon and other essential robotic achievements in outer space.  Displayed here are three such panel presentations with nearly 300 different autographs of space officials and workers of that pioneering era in space travel. All the signatures are genuine, which I do believe, might be one-of-kind or never duplicated again. Group signatures by workers, though granted, may appear on employee retirement photos, awards, and other gifts, but not likely in the formats depicted here. Some of those formats in gathering many signatures may seem rather crude, however, during that era I was a young teenager with limited resources. The first grouping at top right of the panel illustrates NASA Launch Vehicle Operations at KSC that had been hand signed by all the key Apollo/Saturn personnel. Many of the the space agency signers on the prepared two white sheets of government stationery were by veteran rocket and space pioneers of when NASA first got established and the creation of Kennedy Space Center, but also, even beforehand during the 1950's mainly with the Department of Defense (US Army, Air Force, Navy, and their support contractor organizations) while test firing their first missiles and rockets here at the Cape. It should be pointed out that dozens of personnel signatures included were working at their firing room console stations at KSC's Launch Control Center for all the Apollo/Saturn liftoffs (Apollo 7's blockhouse team included) of the 400+ highly-skilled launch team. To this day, I have never seen a single LCC-photo or anything else that has been signed by most of the Saturn firing room team, except for those here by NASA, Boeing, and NAA/Rockwell. Over on the left side of the exhibition are major management, supervisory, and chief engineers of North American Aviation (Rockwell) at Kennedy working on the Apollo/Saturn S-II rocket stage and the Apollo command and service module programs.  Right above is a second montage of multiple signatures representing the Boeing Atlantic Test Center of the Saturn/Apollo/Skylab Division of launch vehicles. The autographs are of prominent test and systems engineering personnel of the Saturn V first stage and for providing design and systems engineering support of Launch Complex 39. If there is any further interest, there are many other space group signatures that can be shared in future postings, such as other top level NASA folks (including all the Apollo primary test supervisors and conductors seen below for now), Chrysler at Kennedy on a multi-signed photo, Martin Marietta's Titan III with key Mars Viking project personnel, the Rocketdyne H-1, F-1 and J-2 engine folks, and General Dynamics/Convair of their powerful Atlas-Centaur rocket combination of going to the moon, conducting planetary flybys, and well beyond into deep space.  |
Bob M Member Posts: 1984 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-20-2024 07:03 AM
Fascinating, rare and actually an historic autograph assemblage of many "space workers," Ken, with a number actually well-known, such as Gruene, Rigell, Donnelly, Kapryan, Hunnicutt, etc. Everyone who signed your material had some involvement in putting astronauts in space and on the moon. You used the word "passion" to describe your involvement as a space collector and fan back then and many of us earlier collectors also had a great passion for space and collecting. I also did somewhat like you did in assembling space workers' autographs together, but mine usually involved multiple-mailings back and forth, with yours evidently assembled at one time with a lot of leg work probably by secretaries to gather all the autographs from various offices and locations. Later I'll post a few of my "space worker" multi-signed items. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3929 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 12-20-2024 10:36 AM
Thanks Bob and I would love to see some of your multi-signed projects. There are so many others that I have from that young era as a big wide-eyed space fan and I just had an email inquiry in seeing a few more multi-signed pieces. So here goes: Take for instance the Rocketdyne division of NAA/Rockwell International stationed here. By surprise, their public relations office actually invited me to their offices at the space center. They gave me a tour of their offices and laboratories at the KSC Industrial Area, and afterwards, presented me with a 16" x 32" montage (partially seen above) containing hundreds and hundreds of Rocketdyne employee signatures on it. I was told that most everyone signed within 2-3 weeks for completion and that the event was used as a public affairs article in their local company newsletter. The Rocketdyne employee signatures above were those that worked on the Apollo/Saturn H-1, F-1, and J-2 rocket engine programs along with the early design phases of the incoming Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME) at the time in 1972. The liquid-fueled rocket engine company had their graphics department design all the different Rocketdyne departmental sections that pertained to the signers' specific work areas. It's no longer in the best condition in which half of the montage had to be destroyed with severely damaged areas. Some of the signed panels seen at bottom right had actually fallen off from their attached locations, but were saved nevertheless, as you can see.  The Atlas-Agena launch photo at top left has been signed by nearly 500 workers. There are even more autographs on the back-side of the large mounted rocket launch picture. It was given to me by the Cape's Lockheed Corporation during the early 1970's. Most of the signers, as I was told, were Lockheed folks along with some by General Dynamics, Bell Aerospace, and the U.S. Air Force that had all been assigned to the Air Force/NASA Atlas-Agena program. While the photo was being signed, it had been placed inside one of the Atlas-Agena support buildings of launch pads 12, 13, or 14, and at their main hangar/office facilities on the Air Force Eastern Test Range for signing. The Atlas and Agena rocket combination flew 109 times from 1960-78 and were the first successful lunar and planetary probes. In addition, Gemini astronauts used Agena space target vehicles for rendezvous and docking techniques while in earth orbital flight. The Viking Titan-Centaur 3E liftoff photo at right contains the signatures of Cape- assigned administration, management, and engineering section heads of the launch vehicle's Centaur upper stage built by the Convair Divison of General Dynamics. Viking-A was the first launch to the Red Planet of twin Viking spacecrafts in 1975 reaching the Martian surface for the first time a year later.  The Apollo 17 signed montage above was presented to me in 1973 with several interesting signers on the matted board. At top left is not a common signature or known by most space autograph collectors. He's Tom O'Malley, whom in Feb. 1962, hit the button that launched John Glenn's Mercury spacecraft into earth orbit by an Atlas-D rocket. Eleven years later O'Malley became Vice President and General Manager of Launch Operations for North American Aviation at the Cape, which became Rockwell International in 1973. That's when he signed this montage along with other Rockwell space age giants, such as pad leader Guenter Wendt, transferring Wendt over to Rockwell for the Apollo and early shuttle programs. On another occasion, NASA Launch Operations Director Dr. Walt Kapryan from the old Manned Spacecraft Operations Building (O&C) mailed a giant NASA Saturn V poster with about 150 autographs of their Apollo/Saturn program personnel. You could imagine my astonishment when opening that big mailer tube from KSC in 1972 as a high schooler. |
Bob M Member Posts: 1984 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 12-22-2024 11:58 AM
To add to Ken's impressive display of rare autograph material of various mostly behind-the-scenes space workers, I've shown two multi-autographed covers that I acquired via many through-the-mail requests, with one sent to ten different locations and received back ten times.The other cover was involved in seven separate mailings and resulted in autographs of seven of the top NASA leaders during and before the Apollo Program.  This top cover (and one just like it) was a special project of mine that began in November 1980 before the launch of the first space shuttle on STS-1. After three autographs were applied, it was then postmarked at KSC for the STS-1 launch and then began its journey again to Prince Georges, MD for A. Thomas Young's autograph. Then the tenth and final autograph (William Lucas/MSFC, AL) finished it all in June 1981. Among the notables signing are Chris Kraft, Robert Frosch and Alan Lovelace, the acting NASA Administrator at the time of STS-1. Turnaround was quick, as all ten autographs from ten different locations took only about 8 months. Locations sent to included Washington, DC, Huntsville, AL, KSC, Cleveland, OH. The bottom cover - canceled for NASA's 20th anniversary - was signed by seven historic NASA leaders, including George Mueller, Robert Gilruth, George Low and Rocco Petrone. This two-cover project began in August 1982 with a request to Dr. Mueller in Santa Monica, CA and ended with Dr. Brainard Holmes (First director of NASA manned spaceflight) in October 1983 from Boston. It was both surprising and very fortunate that these covers, sent to many different people and locations around the country, survived their journeys and returned each time. As mentioned previously, many of us early space collectors had great passion for the space program and especially collecting, and perhaps these two covers and Ken's material should show that at least two collectors had much passion and fascination for space exploration and especially collecting material from it. It was a great and exciting time to be a space fan and collector. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3929 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-01-2025 06:06 AM
An incredible autograph assembly of very top NASA leaders and pioneers spanning from Mercury to early Shuttle! Where can you find a collection of NASA field center directors all together on a single cover along with the great pioneers of Apollo (and beforehand) of Low, Mueller, Gilruth, Phillips, Holmes and Petrone? Thanks to Bob, I also have a duplicate of another similar but different assortment of key NASA signed covers as this.Back in those days and with so many important space leaders included, it was certainly a difficult and risky project, with a real possibility that such multiple mailed-out signature requests required for its completion may had resulted in never seeing the covers again. Lost in the mail from one of the returns, kept by someone in not returning them back, and so on. Nowadays, for sure, it would almost be an impossible task to repeat of a similar pursuit. Those were the good-old-days in getting multi-autograph requests by using the US mail system. Good work Bob that required a lot of persistence in getting all of those signatures together. |
Bob M Member Posts: 1984 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-02-2025 01:06 PM
Thanks, Ken, for the nice words about my signed covers (hope some other collectors saw them (and yours) that were multi-signed and multi-mailed-out (and mailed-back). Yes, risky and I was lucky to have had such good success. But a few others failed to return, but they were mostly to astronauts, which could be very risky. Here are two sad accounts of never returned multi-mailed autograph requests: 1) For me: an excellent STS-1 crew patch launch cover that my intention was to have signed by the eight astronauts of the four Space Shuttle Orbital Flight Test crews (STS-1 thru 4). Something that would have been rare and of special significance. It only lacked two autographs to be complete, and had the difficult autograph of John Young already on it, but when sent to astronaut number 7 for his and his crewmate's autograph, it never returned. That especially hurt, as that astronaut had always been reliable about autographing. Perhaps it was lost in the mail or maybe someone handling astronaut mail was responsible. 2) Here is an extremely sad story concerning another autograph collector: This was 25-30 years ago when all the moonwalkers were alive except Jim Irwin. That collector had two lunar photos autographed by most of the moonwalkers thru the mail, one at a time, with one photo having about 7-8 autographs and the other lacking only about two. He mailed both (bad idea) to moonwalker X and neither photo returned, so he lost everything he had worked so hard to assemble; everything gone. Had he been more patient, there were many paid astronaut signings later, some at Novaspace, including the difficult John Young. Anything autographed by all twelve moonwalkers together is the ultimate treasure for just about any astronaut autograph collector, with anything signed by all twelve a very rare thing indeed. |
Space Junk Punk Member Posts: 39 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Jul 2021
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posted 01-14-2025 06:37 AM
I thought this book I just acquired with lots of behind the scenes players from Marshall Space Flight Center and mostly shuttle days was pretty cool, but after seeing this post and the amazing collections, it does not feel nearly as impressive. Nevertheless I thought I'd add a few photos because I think there should be more emphasis on all the people in the space programs that helped make history, not just astronauts. So having this book "The Real Space Cowboys" by Ed Buckbee with so many signatures with it to me is amazing. I'm still trying to ID some of the signatures, but a few here are: - Bonnie Holmes, personal assistant to Wernher Von Braun as well as his secretary Nancy Guire
- Linda Posey - Lead Specialist Shuttle Program
- Dr. William W. Vaughn, Lead Engineer, Apollo
- Bill Shelton, General, Commander Air Force Space Command
- Archie Young- MSFC Apollo, Patriot Missile System
- Charles Lindquist - MSFC Director Space Sciences Lab
I hope you find this interesting, if you recognize any signatures here I'd love to know them if you don't mind telling me. Thanks for sharing your collections, so much history there. 


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Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3929 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-14-2025 12:56 PM
Thanks for sharing, very good, and I did notice from a quick signatures' glance that you have two astronauts of co-author Wally Schirra and Owen Garriott included along with Bonnie Holmes and Nancy Guire of Dr. Wernher von Braun's office staff, and possibly Jim Harrison and Bill Lucas of the design engineering division. I think your book from MSFC/Huntsville with so many signatures of folks that you knew and worked with is just amazing!There was another lady that I knew from Florida's Space Coast that worked for her boss (von Braun), "The Professor," from 1949 to 1960 at the ABMA and GMDD. She reminds me a bit of Holmes and Guire. Her name was Dorothy Bennett and I was able to acquire her aerospace collection many years ago. She had some wonderful von Braun signed material that I cherish to this day. Dorothy had said during the 1950's she had worked in a little "cubby hole" next to her boss along with Dr. Kurt Debus two doors away. Let me share one of Dorothy's letters if you don't mind: There were times when Dr. von Braun worked very long hours, even until midnight, and if I was lucky I didn't have to stay until that late hour. There were even times when von Braun, myself, and his staff members were forced to remove our shoes, socks/stockings, and wade through water that came up to the calf of our legs to get to our cars. This was in the rainy season, usually late at night, as roads then were mudholes. There were many more incidents like this, some hilarious, happy, sad, good and bad have made up my 20 years with the original German team. |
Space Junk Punk Member Posts: 39 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Jul 2021
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posted 01-14-2025 10:14 PM
Ken, thanks for pointing out those names for me, and that story about von Braun gave me chills! Just to think of how much blood, sweat, and tears those early pioneers put into what they did, you can't help but be inspired by them when you hear stories like that. "The Real Space Cowboys" book actually belongs to a good friend of mine in Huntsville, Tim Pickens, he built the propulsion system for Spaceship One and won the Ansari X Prize with Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites in early 2000's. He's also got some signed books by Wernher Von Braun, Hermann Oberth, and Ernst Stuhlinger. I think some of them they signed each other's own books too! Oberth's book was incredible to see first hand. So you are from Merritt Island? I recently donated a bunch of items to the Brevard County Chamber of Commerce to use to promote STEM initiatives in the schools down there. I wonder if they get a lot of that because of all the NASA people living in the county? It wasn't a big deal for me, I had like 20 pairs of LES boots worn by shuttle crew and donated a few of those and a bunch of miscellaneous hardware items from Spacelab. |
Watts Way Member Posts: 19 From: St. Louis, MO, USA Registered: Mar 2023
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posted 01-21-2025 03:19 PM
As Ken Havekotte and others aptly point out above, there were many people behind the scenes responsible for safely launching and recovering astronauts. At the end of the Gemini program, members of what may have been the Gemini 12 team signed a McDonnell Aircraft photo of the spacecraft that apparently then was presented to NASA's Chuck Mathews. I'm not sure where the original is, as I only have copies of the original document. Does anyone know its whereabouts? I'm seeing some familiar names, such as Buzz Aldrin, James Lovell, J.S. McDonnell, George Mueller and K.S. Kleinknecht. But there are many lesser known names, as well. Would be interesting to know what role each person played, as each was important to the endeavor.  |
micropooz Member Posts: 1821 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 01-21-2025 06:10 PM
A couple of names that I can shed some light on:Don Arabian was in NASA test and evaluation for Gemini, then went on to become the head of the Apollo Mission Evaluation Room (MER). Lonnie Schmitt was a propulsion engineer at McDonnell-Douglas, who went on to work the entire span of the Shuttle Program (STS-1 through 135) as a PROP in Mission Control. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3929 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-21-2025 06:53 PM
Fantastic Gemini-era large poster gifted to NASA's Gemini program manager Chuck Mathews. This one-of-a-kind award or presentation is priceless with hundreds of vintage signatures by Gemini astronauts, leaders, and workers.This is the most signatures that I have seen altogether from the Gemini program, however, there are a few multi-signed photos and posters that I am aware of (and have owned) by NASA, the Martin Company, and McDonnell Aircraft Corporation. I'll see what I can dig up in this area and thanks so much for sharing! Also, though, a few more Gemini astronauts were spotted such as Jim McDivitt, Dave Scott, and Michael Collins. In addition, others that I can recognize would be John Yardley, Bill Schneider, Paul Donnelly, Bill Douglas, Guenter Wendt, Gene Thomas, Walt Kapryan, Larry Bell, Jim Ragusa, Ed Martin and Jim Harris. It's really a great assembly of autographs that appears to be in top-notch condition. Too bad all of the other flown Gemini astronauts were not included as that would be something else. |
Space Junk Punk Member Posts: 39 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Jul 2021
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posted 01-22-2025 03:25 AM
WOW. Just incredible the amount of behind the scenes support and admin signatures on the documents in this thread. It's good to see this stuff is out there because if you have ever met and spoken to someone who used to work on any of those earlier programs (or are someone still working in the space program) they always express the same deep passion, excitement, and interest in things as an outside collector space flight enthusiast. The amount of pride and feeling of civil and patriotic duty towards their contributions is at the same level as the astronauts in the programs they supported. I think these could be a powerful tool to promote STEM initiatives for students. Looking at all those signatures gives a tangible and realistic way to see the scale of how many people it takes to make one mission or program a success when you are dealing with getting things to orbit. I've donated stuff in the past to Brevard County for them to use in some of their schools' STEM programs. Does anyone know if that signed Gemini poster would be a public domain image? A high resolution copy of it or a similar document would no doubt steer some young minds towards the aerospace industry similar to Oberth inspiring von Braun to do better in math to understand his equations and theories after reading his book. | |
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