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AstroAutos
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posted 07-27-2009 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently heard that John Young charges $495 for his signature through Novaspace.

Since it was just announced that Mr. Young will be doing a signing with them at the start of next year, I was myself considering starting to save up for an autograph since we were given such early notice. The man is probably the greatest astronaut of all time and is heading into his eighties, so I thought why not?

Although it is kind of a matter of personal opinion, I wanted to know what you guys thought - is it worth the fee to take part in this signing?

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posted 07-27-2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion, absolutely NOT!

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In my humble opinion, it depends on what you want signed. If all you are seeking is a signature on any media you could probably pick up an inscribed signed photo (ISP) blue flight suit (BFS) litho (to someone else) for much less. However, I took part in the last signing and was overjoyed at how it turned out.

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I got a couple of Young autographs from a previous Novaspace signing and I plan on getting at least another.

Two things to remember:

  1. No one lives forever.
  2. You can always make more money.

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posted 07-27-2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't have put it better myself, thanks for putting things into perspective for me.

I fully understand the opinions of people like Randy who feel they have better things to spend the money on, but I am 16 years old, and so would rather spend the little money I have on something I can enjoy for the years to come.

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I had him sign two SpaceShot cards and was well pleased. Novaspace is great for getting those hard to get autographs.

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If it is an autograph you want, have the money and are able to spend it and prefer not to go to the secondary market, go for it.

It's your money.

Anyone can make the argument that the astronauts are overcharging or too demanding and anyone can make the argument they have earned the right to charge what they want. (I agree with both positions).

It's your money and you can spend on what you wish.

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posted 07-27-2009 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
Since it was just announced that Mr. Young will be doing a signing with them at the start of next year...
Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing an announcement on this. I must not have gotten the memo. The fee does not surprise me given what it has been for him in the past.

I've been a member of this board for about a year now, and (correct me if I'm wrong) it seems to me that the announcement of signing fees above a certain dollar amount follow a pretty predictable progression:

  1. Shock and/or anger is expressed on the amount of the fee.

  2. Back and forth occurs on whether the fee is fair, whether or not any one should pay it, whether an astronaut should charge fees etc.

  3. Eventually people decide whether the fee asked is worth the opportunity to have something signed (and if they can afford it) and act accordingly.
What a signature is worth is highly subjective. I know there is a market out there, but as was discussed for the ASF Tom Stafford signing, the fee asked does not always translate into the actual value of the piece in the marketplace. And whatever calculus you might use to arrive at whether you will or won't pay a fee will probably not be valid for someone else. For example, if I was going to spend that kind of money I would use it to go the ASF show in November and actually meet some of these folks. But that's me.

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As someone once said, $15 bucks to me does not mean the same as $15 bucks to you.

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A friend of mine (who is a lot older and a little bit wiser) recently said, you've got to live your life. Whether it means taking a cruise down the Nile or getting your favorite photo autographed, do what you want in life, because you never know what will happen next. I'm not saying anyone should go into debt for these things, but it's your money and if it's important to you, you will know what to do.

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posted 07-27-2009 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by xlsteve:
Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing an announcement on this. I must not have gotten the memo.
Kim quietly announced it in his first post announcing the Gene Cernan signing here but the fee details have yet to be announced (I was just presuming he would stick his fee at $495).

Thanks a lot for all your responses - I greatly appreciate every single one of them.

I realise that at the end of the day it is all down to the financial position of the collector at that particular time as to whether to buy an autograph or not.
Most of the responses on here have been quite positive and I think it has made up my mind somewhat that I am going to (hopefully) take part in the signing.

Novaspace sound very good to deal with from what I hear - I'll know for sure after the upcoming Cernan signing in which I am taking part.

Best Wishes to you all and if anyone has anymore opinions please feel free to contribute!

Oh, and after I get Dave Scott at Autographica in September the only moonwalkers I'll be missing will be Young and Armstrong so that I suppose is extra incentive for me!

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posted 07-27-2009 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
...Oh, and after I get Dave Scott at Autographica in September the only moonwalkers I'll be missing will be Young and Armstrong so that I suppose is extra incentive for me!
If that's the case, I'd go for it too...in fact, I am

I've got all the moonwalkers on mission covers except Young, and I will definitely be participating in the upcoming Novaspace signing.

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posted 08-08-2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there's a long way to go before this signing, but I just wanted to know some of your opinions - I'm going to get Young to sign a jumping salute on moon litho, but which would look better, if he signed in silver/white in the black sky above him, or if he signed in black on the lunar surface below his feet?

Thanks in advance, Shane!

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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
I'm going to get Young to sign a jumping salute on moon litho, but which would look better, if he signed in silver/white in the black sky above him, or if he signed in black on the lunar surface below his feet?

I've seen it signed both ways before and have always thought the ones signed in metallic ink (in the dark sky area) always look a bit nicer than the ones signed in black or blue over the surface area. I think one gets much nicer contrast in the sky area and the signature "pops" out at you more.

Just my opinion, of course...

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posted 08-10-2009 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by machbusterman:
However, I took part in the last signing and was overjoyed at how it turned out
Derek, I have a question regarding this item you got signed last time round...

Did the 'Descartes Highlands April 20 1972 Apollo 16 CDR' inscription only cost you an extra $25 or did you have to pay the $20 per word fee?

I'm just curious as I want to get the exact same inscription you got, only personalized to me and in silver/white.

Oh, and mjanovec thanks for the advice - I think I'd have to agree with you that writing on the black sky would look a lot better!

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If you are patient, you will find genuine John Young signatures for less. Thus I would recommend to send in outstanding items - or to create an inscribed item according to your wishes.

I myself had two items signed at his latest Novaspace signing:

  • a Gemini 3 launch cover which already was signed by Gus Grissom
  • a STS-1 launch cover which was already signed by Bob Crippen as well as complete NASA-15 selection group including Michael Anderson, Kalpana Chawla and Rick Husband who were on board Columbia during her last flight.
I am happy I got them completed.

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The fee is indeed steep, but at least you can be confident that it's really John Young, and that he signed it FOR YOU.

That's worth something in my book; whether it's enough for you is your call. I have two more things that I want his signature on and I need to decide which one gets it on this go-round, always knowing there might not be another.

Rob's comment is the best one though: you can always make more money.

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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
Derek, I have a question regarding this item you got signed last time round...

Did the 'Descartes Highlands April 20 1972 Apollo 16 CDR' inscription only cost you an extra $25 or did you have to pay the $20 per word fee?


The inscription/mission/date information cost an extra $80 if I recall correctly.

Writing/signing on the black sky is much more effective than writing on the lunar surface... the metallic finish stands out very nicely.

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posted 08-10-2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mark, Walter and Derek for your replies - I know that you can get John Young signatures for less (for example a signed STS-1 cover sold for $60 last night), however I want him to sign the jumping salute litho, and more importantly I want him to inscribe it to me and I guess through Novaspace is the only way I'm ever going to get that so I'm just going to go for it! To me, it'll be all worth it when the signing is over.

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Originally posted by machbusterman:
However, I took part in the last signing and was overjoyed at how it turned out
Derek, was your jump-salute litho signed in gold paint pen? Did you provide the pen, or did Kim provide it?

Thanks. I'm thinking of having a litho inscribed as well, and yours came out nicely.

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Originally posted by machbusterman:
The inscription/mission/date information cost an extra $80 if I recall correctly.
I looked up the entire fee schedule from his Sep. '08 signing, and if he keeps his fees the exact same, then the $495 base signature fee includes one mission inscription (Apollo 16 CDR) with the personalisation being free - am I right in saying that?

If I wanted him to write for example 'To Shane, Best Wishes, John Young Apollo 16 CDR' would the 'Best Wishes' come under additional inscriptions or would I not have to pay $40 extra for that?

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It's $40 extra if you want him to really mean it.

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I recommend that you send your questions directly to Kim at Novaspace. He's your best source for answers to your questions.

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"Best wishes" would cost an extra $40 above the base fee.

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Originally posted by machbusterman:
"Best wishes" would cost an extra $40 above the base fee.

Sounds crazy, but oh well - it was the answer I was expecting!

Can anyone think of a better one or two word inscription which would be better than 'Best Wishes'?

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Reading Carrying the Fire, it seems he loved to call every one "Babe". Wonder how much that would cost???

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Reading Carrying the Fire, it seems he loved to call every one "Babe". Wonder how much that would cost???

It seems like a lot of astronauts did that. You can hear Alan Bean call Pete Conrad babe during their descent. It must have been popular slang at the time.

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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
Can anyone think of a better one or two word inscription which would be better than 'Best Wishes'?
I've used "Ad Astra" ("To the Stars") for some signed stuff. No particular connection to John Young, but it sounds cool. Of course, if you want a Young connection, maybe he could sign something about his Apollo 16 gastrointestinal difficulties.

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I have a mint condition 1969 Snoopy Pocket doll that is signed by Cernan and Stafford. I have passed on sending it in for prior Young signings, mainly because of the high cost of the crew completion fee. I know it probably won't be as valuable as what I have spent on it, but it is just screaming for Young's signature. I have it in a display case with the box and it bugs the heck out of me every time I look at it. Collecting is for enjoyment so I think I will take the plunge this time while I still have the opportunity.

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Originally posted by DSeuss5490:
Collecting is for enjoyment so I think I will take the plunge this time while I still have the opportunity.
Great idea!

I too have been searching and searching for Young's autograph, although on a jump salute litho, and even though I know I could get it for a lot less than his fee, I would always regret not getting one personalized to me so I too am going to just go for it...

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Originally posted by xlsteve:
It seems like a lot of astronauts did that. You can hear Alan Bean call Pete Conrad babe during their descent. It must have been popular slang at the time.

A little off-topic, but something I've wondered about too. I have heard one account saying that John Llewellyn in mission control was the person who said it all the time, and it spread until everyone was. I also heard from an Apollo astronaut that it was a local, "Texas thing" that caught on. I'd be interested in any opinions others might have on that.

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I'm really glad I read this thread. I already have an inscribed (not personalized) Jump Salute photo, so I was sitting on the fence trying to decide about getting a personalized one. There were several good points about why I should get one, so now I am!

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Good decision, Barry!

I too was planning to get a personalized jump salute litho for this signing, but I have now decided to take part in the Collins signing in February instead, as I can't afford both...

I have no doubt you'll be pleased with yourself as soon as the money's gone and it's too late to turn back (that's always the hardest part!)

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Just wondering if there are any commercially produced products that have John Young's authentic signature? Looking specifically for art prints ala Alan Bean or Robert Rasmussen.

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Originally posted by pharoid:
Just wondering if there are any commercially produced products that have John Young's authentic signature? Looking specifically for art prints ala Alan Bean or Robert Rasmussen.

John Young does his commercial signing for Novaspace (aka Astronaut Central), who have a selection of signed photos available for sale. He has signed some prints of Kim Poor's beautiful Morning Launch" print, though that print was never signed by Young initially...and the signed prints that are out there are the exception, not the rule.

Young did sign some shuttle montage photographs for the ASF for the 25th Anniversary of Columbia's first launch. He has also consigned some of his personal artifacts to previous Heritage Auctions...including some photos he has signed.

His signature was added to the Moonwalkers print (also sold by Novaspace) after he retired from the astronaut corps, so I guess that is perhaps the only commercially-available print series that contains his signature (though many copies were sold prior to him signing for Novaspace...so several out there in the marketplace may be still missing his signature). Othewise, there are no other official commercially-available signed items available with Young's signature that I'm aware of. Keep in mind that Young was still an astronaut until the end of 2004 and was not able to partake in any commercial signings until after he retired...and has signed almost exclusively for Novaspace since his retirement. He participates in occasional main-in signing events for them...about once every 18 months, it seems (give or take a couple months). So if you have your own item you want him to sign, that's basically your only opportunity these days.

If you specifically want Young's signature on an Alan Bean artwork, you could always buy a piece that is ready-made for his signature (like Reaching For the Stars) and add his signature at his next signing.

The last option, of course, is to find a seller on the secondary marketplace who has an authentic signature for sale. You have to be wary of possible forgeries (especially on eBay), but there are nice authentic examples out there available for sale. My friend Derek currently has a super nice signed litho for sale at Astro Auction. And if I may plug my own item, I have a completed Gemini 10 photo for sale, signed by both Young and Collins. Both items were signed at his Novaspace signings, so authenticity is without question.

Whew! I think I've covered most of the bases there...

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Many thanks for such a thorough and complete answer to my query and thank your for providing me with some interesting ideas. I particularly liked your idea of having an existing print possibly signed by Mr. Young. As a matter of fact, Alan Bean's Hello Universe, which is still available at a reasonable price, has a spot for a John Young signature. Not sure why he didn't sign this print when first released, but maybe he may be inclined to sign it in the near future through one of his private signings with Astronaut Central. I prefer signed art prints over photographs. Once again, sincerest thanks.

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I believe the print of Hello Universe was signed in May 2003, about 19 months prior to John Young's eventual retirement from the astronaut corps. So the simple answer is that even if Young wanted to sign the print at that time, he could not...since NASA does not allow it's astronauts to sign autographs for commercial interests. Once Young had retired in late 2004, he was freed to sign for commercial reasons.

I have not heard of Young refusing to sign Alan Bean prints at the Astronaut Central (Novaspace) signings...so I don't see any reason why he would not sign the Hello Universe print. Indeed, if Young signs for them again, you could feasibly just purchase the print from Novaspace and they could retain it until Young can sign it...that way you're not shipping it twice through the mail.

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I know John Young signed one specific image for free during his recent time at NASA, and he signed other things for Novaspace.

When did he stop signing other stuff (for free, I imagine) and revert to signing only the one specific image?

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My Dad got a jumping litho signed by Young in the 90's through the mail so he didn't just sign one picture. He did personalize most things though and was "sporadic" at best. I wrote into him asking for a photo when he was still with NASA and even included a SASE, and got no response.

He was just one of those guys that had a very weird autograph policy that made little sense. Then again, he did get $500 an autograph once he retired so maybe that was the grand plan.

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Does John Young still sign?


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