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AstroAutos
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posted 07-27-2009 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently read that John Young charges $495 for his signature through Novaspace.

Since it was just announced that Young will be doing a signing with them at the start of next year, I was myself considering starting to save up for an autograph since we were given such early notice. The man is probably the greatest astronaut of all time and is heading into his eighties, so I thought why not?

Although it is kind of a matter of personal opinion, I wanted to know what you guys thought - is it worth the fee to take part in this signing?

randy
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posted 07-27-2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion, absolutely not.

machbusterman
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posted 07-27-2009 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for machbusterman   Click Here to Email machbusterman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on what you want signed. If all you are seeking is a signature on any media you could probably pick up an inscribed signed photo (ISP) blue flight suit (BFS) litho (to someone else) for much less. However, I took part in the last signing and was overjoyed at how it turned out.

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posted 07-27-2009 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Joyner   Click Here to Email Rob Joyner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a couple of Young autographs from a previous Novaspace signing and I plan on getting at least another.

Two things to remember:

  1. No one lives forever.
  2. You can always make more money.

AstroAutos
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posted 07-27-2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't have put it better myself, thanks for putting things into perspective for me.

I fully understand the opinions of people like Randy who feel they have better things to spend the money on, but I am 16 years old, and so would rather spend the little money I have on something I can enjoy for the years to come.

robert barrett
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posted 07-27-2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robert barrett   Click Here to Email robert barrett     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had him sign two SpaceShot cards and was well pleased. Novaspace is great for getting those hard to get autographs.

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posted 07-27-2009 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a signature is worth is highly subjective. I know there is a market out there, but the fee asked does not always translate into the actual value of the piece in the marketplace. And whatever calculus you might use to arrive at whether you will or won't pay a fee will probably not be valid for someone else.

SpaceSteve
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posted 07-27-2009 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got all the moonwalkers on mission covers except Young, and I will definitely be participating in the upcoming Novaspace signing.

AstroAutos
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posted 08-08-2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there's a long way to go before this signing, but I just wanted to know some of your opinions - I'm going to get Young to sign a jumping salute on moon litho, but which would look better, if he signed in silver/white in the black sky above him, or if he signed in black on the lunar surface below his feet?

mjanovec
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posted 08-08-2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen it signed both ways before and have always thought the ones signed in metallic ink (in the dark sky area) always look a bit nicer than the ones signed in black or blue over the surface area. I think one gets much nicer contrast in the sky area and the signature "pops" out at you more.

AstroAutos
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posted 08-10-2009 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the advice — I think I'd have to agree with you that writing on the black sky would look a lot better!

cosmos-walter
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posted 08-10-2009 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are patient, you will find genuine John Young signatures for less. Thus I would recommend to send in outstanding items - or to create an inscribed item according to your wishes.

I myself had two items signed at his latest Novaspace signing:

  • a Gemini 3 launch cover which already was signed by Gus Grissom
  • a STS-1 launch cover which was already signed by Bob Crippen as well as complete NASA-15 selection group including Michael Anderson, Kalpana Chawla and Rick Husband who were on board Columbia during her last flight.
I am happy I got them completed.

Mark Zimmer
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The fee is indeed steep, but at least you can be confident that it's really John Young, and that he signed it FOR YOU.

That's worth something in my book; whether it's enough for you is your call. I have two more things that I want his signature on and I need to decide which one gets it on this go-round, always knowing there might not be another.

Rob's comment is the best one though: you can always make more money.

thump
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posted 08-18-2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thump   Click Here to Email thump     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reading Carrying the Fire, it seems he loved to call every one "Babe". Wonder how much that inscription would cost?

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posted 08-18-2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems like a lot of astronauts did that. You can hear Alan Bean call Pete Conrad babe during their descent. It must have been popular slang at the time.

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posted 08-21-2009 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DSeuss5490   Click Here to Email DSeuss5490     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a mint condition 1969 Snoopy Pocket doll that is signed by Cernan and Stafford. I have passed on sending it in for prior Young signings, mainly because of the high cost of the crew completion fee. I know it probably won't be as valuable as what I have spent on it, but it is just screaming for Young's signature. I have it in a display case with the box and it bugs the heck out of me every time I look at it. Collecting is for enjoyment so I think I will take the plunge this time while I still have the opportunity.

FFrench
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posted 12-13-2009 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xlsteve:
It seems like a lot of astronauts did that. You can hear Alan Bean call Pete Conrad babe during their descent. It must have been popular slang at the time.

A little off-topic, but something I've wondered about too. I have heard one account saying that John Llewellyn in mission control was the person who said it all the time, and it spread until everyone was. I also heard from an Apollo astronaut that it was a local, "Texas thing" that caught on. I'd be interested in any opinions others might have on that.

BarryLowe
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posted 12-23-2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarryLowe   Click Here to Email BarryLowe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really glad I read this thread. I already have an inscribed (not personalized) Jump Salute photo, so I was sitting on the fence trying to decide about getting a personalized one. There were several good points about why I should get one, so now I am!

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posted 08-16-2010 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pharoid   Click Here to Email pharoid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering if there are any commercially produced products that have John Young's authentic signature? Looking specifically for art prints ala Alan Bean or Robert Rasmussen.

mjanovec
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posted 08-16-2010 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Young does his commercial signing for Novaspace (aka Astronaut Central), who have a selection of signed photos available for sale. He has signed some prints of Kim Poor's beautiful "Morning Launch" print, though that print was never signed by Young initially, and the signed prints that are out there are the exception, not the rule.

Young did sign some shuttle montage photographs for the Astronaut Scholarship Foundation for the 25th anniversary of Columbia's first launch. He has also consigned some of his personal artifacts to previous Heritage Auctions, including some photos he has signed.

His signature was added to the Moonwalkers print (also sold by Novaspace) after he retired from the astronaut corps, so I guess that is perhaps the only commercially-available print series that contains his signature (though many copies were sold prior to him signing for Novaspace, so several out there in the marketplace may be still missing his signature). Otherwise, there are no other official commercially-available signed items available with Young's signature that I'm aware of.

Keep in mind that Young was still an astronaut until the end of 2004 and was not able to partake in any commercial signings until after he retired, and has signed almost exclusively for Novaspace since his retirement. He participates in occasional main-in signing events for them, about once every 18 months, it seems (give or take a couple months). So if you have your own item you want him to sign, that's basically your only opportunity these days.

If you specifically want Young's signature on an Alan Bean artwork, you could always buy a piece that is ready-made for his signature (like Reaching For the Stars) and add his signature at his next signing.

The last option, of course, is to find a seller on the secondary marketplace who has an authentic signature for sale. You have to be wary of possible forgeries (especially on eBay), but there are nice authentic examples out there available for sale.

Whew! I think I've covered most of the bases there...

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posted 08-16-2010 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pharoid   Click Here to Email pharoid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks for such a thorough and complete answer to my query and thank your for providing me with some interesting ideas.

I particularly liked your idea of having an existing print possibly signed by Mr. Young. As a matter of fact, Alan Bean's "Hello Universe," which is still available at a reasonable price, has a spot for a John Young signature. Not sure why he didn't sign this print when first released, but maybe he may be inclined to sign it in the near future through one of his private signings with Astronaut Central. I prefer signed art prints over photographs.

mjanovec
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posted 08-16-2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe the print of "Hello Universe" was signed in May 2003, about 19 months prior to John Young's eventual retirement from the astronaut corps. So the simple answer is that even if Young wanted to sign the print at that time, he could not, since NASA does not allow it's astronauts to sign autographs for commercial interests. Once Young had retired in late 2004, he was freed to sign for commercial reasons.

I have not heard of Young refusing to sign Alan Bean prints at the Astronaut Central (Novaspace) signings, so I don't see any reason why he would not sign the "Hello Universe" print. Indeed, if Young signs for them again, you could feasibly just purchase the print from Novaspace and they could retain it until Young can sign it, that way you're not shipping it twice through the mail.

JasonIUP
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posted 04-30-2013 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonIUP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know John Young signed one specific image for free during his recent time at NASA, and he signed other things for Novaspace.

When did he stop signing other stuff (for free, I imagine) and revert to signing only the one specific image?

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posted 04-30-2013 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonB   Click Here to Email JasonB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Dad got a jumping litho signed by Young in the 90's through the mail so he didn't just sign one picture. He did personalize most things though and was "sporadic" at best. I wrote into him asking for a photo when he was still with NASA and even included a SASE, and got no response.

He was just one of those guys that had a very weird autograph policy that made little sense. Then again, he did get $500 an autograph once he retired so maybe that was the grand plan.

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posted 04-02-2014 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buel   Click Here to Email Buel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does John Young still sign?

BMacKinnon
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posted 04-02-2014 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMacKinnon   Click Here to Email BMacKinnon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Young does not sign anymore.

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posted 04-04-2015 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for schnappsicle   Click Here to Email schnappsicle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While going through my daily eBay search I found a Charlie Duke photo (371297016116). In the description, the seller says that "John Young has recently broken his long standing no autograph policy and has signed through a private agency." Is that accurate?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-04-2015 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's likely an outdated reference to Novaspace's Astronaut Central custom signings. Their last signing with Young was in 2011. As of today, Young no longer signs.

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