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andrewcarson
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posted 11-14-2002 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcarson   Click Here to Email andrewcarson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a new collector I am after some info regarding the signing habits of James Irwin. Prior to the death of James Irwin did he carry out public appearances. Did he sign for a fee?

I have seen a few signatures on the market. I note Irwin's involvement with the Church and the High Flight Foundation.

I have seen the flag picture where Irwin is saluting, which is pre-marked with the inscription "his love from the moon" and then hand signed can anyone tell me is this common?

nasamad
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posted 11-14-2002 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Jim Irwin carried out most of his personal appearances after his NASA career for the High Flight Foundation. As Irwin died in '91 I don't think he would have charged a fee (I don't think it was as common as it is now).

I'm pretty sure the pre-inscribed litho is the most common of Irwin signatures available on an 8x10 image.

If you're patient you can play the waiting game and wait until one comes up that is signed to "Andrew." (I managed it with mine after a wait of about 18 months!)

Cliff Lentz
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posted 11-14-2002 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cliff Lentz   Click Here to Email Cliff Lentz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met Jim in 1989 at Space Camp in Huntsville, Alabama. At that time he carried those photos that were just inscribed "Aim High" and then he would sign later.

The neat thing is sometimes he would draw a small crescent moon above his signature which I was fortunate enough to get.

I think the whole autograph rush didn't start til after his death so I would be surprised if he ever charged.

derek
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posted 11-14-2002 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for derek   Click Here to Email derek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Irwin visited N. Ireland often to visit his relatives. I met him four times. He never charged for autographs, and told me that he'd never parachuted (I just had), which I thought was part of test pilot training! But a really genuine guy.

Blackarrow
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posted 11-14-2002 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Jim Irwin's grandfather was born about 75 miles from here, in the village of Pomeroy, and Col. Irwin visited Northern Ireland at least seven times (to my knowledge) to trace his "roots."

I met him three times, in 1983, 1985 and finally in 1991, only a few months before he died. He was a delight to meet, and addressed probably dozens of public meetings where he happily signed photographs (with the famous crescent Moon) for anyone who asked. There was never any question of charging.

In 1983 he let me interview him for an article which was printed in a local newspaper. When I sent him a copy, he wrote a full-page, hand-written, letter to thank me. It is a wonderful reminder of Jim Irwin's visits.

eurospace
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posted 11-15-2002 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Irwin was a prolific and generous signer, both in person and by mail, and he never charged for his autograph.

The only autopen pattern I know was in use at Houston (not his home) and shows this typical large and edgy signature that differs very clearly from his rather cuddly and small signature at the end of his days.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-15-2002 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Irwin was the first astronaut to charge a fee for his autograph.

The charge was $2 (later raised to $4). The money went to fund his High Flight Foundation.

Gordon Reade
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posted 11-16-2002 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met Jim Irwin just a few months before he died. No, he didn't charge for autographs and he was just the nicest guy you could ever meet. The only astronaut I know of who signed is autographs with the word "love."

eurospace
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posted 11-18-2002 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Irwin was the first astronaut to charge a fee for his autograph.
This is quite a long time ago, but my recollection is that Irwin asked for donations to his foundation, but never conditioned autographing to the payment of any such donation, which would be my definition of "charging."

RMH
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posted 11-18-2002 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMH   Click Here to Email RMH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I to had the privilege to see Jim Irwin in person give a speech about his Apollo moon landing several years before his death. He signed willingly and seemed happy to talk to others and sign after his speech.

I asked him to sign a couple envelopes canceled for his mission, a postcard, and maybe something else. He made a comment that (at the time I thought odd and felt defensive about asking for his autograph) when signing the covers that by me having him autograph them that they automatically tripled in value. He must have at least sensed a good value for his autograph.

This was before the internet and eBay so the comment really threw me off at the time, but he was correct that the value of the covers are worth a lot more now — but they proudly stay in my collection.

As for fees - I do know he asked for a donation to his foundation. He sent me a autographed photo without the donation — before I knew he wanted one. And oddly I thought the requested donation was a steep price to pay for his signature. If I only knew.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-18-2002 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the late Col. Jim Irwin was a most gracious signer throughout his entire life. In person, he never asked for a fee when signing autographs and usually provided authentic autographs through mail requests when he was a NASA astronaut.

But before Irwin's death on Aug. 8, 1991, a day after the 20th anniversary of his return from the Moon, it was quite a different scene when it came to the space autograph and memorabilia hobby and marketplace.

After he left NASA and retired from the Air Force in 1972, he founded High Flight Foundation in Colorado, an interdenominational Christian organization, of which I was a long-time member, supporter of, and a contact point here on Florida's Space Coast. Ever since that time when HFF got started until Irwin's untimely death, he never charged for signing autograph requests through the mail or in person but a fee of only $2 was requested for a signed and/or inscribed 8x10 lithrograph of Irwin on the Moon alongside the rover, LM, and the American flag.

The fee also included the color picture and even the return postage from Irwin's HFF offices. Not a bad deal, huh? The fee was later $4 in 1989-90 because of photograph-production costs and return postage.

A track entitled "Foot Prints on the Moon" was usually included with most mail requests and sometimes even autographed on the front surface at no additional charge, but was signed with a printed brochure autograph of "Jim Irwin, Apollo 15" with a crescent Moon on the back page.

The tracks were printed in two versions along with a third track entitled "UFO's... Fact or Fantasy," that was more limited than the first tracks.

Of course, it should be pointed out that donations to HFF were always welcomed and appreciated, especially for the outreach ministry programs. As a matter of fact, the very first-ever astronaut appearance and signing opportunity at KSC's Spaceport USA, which is now the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex operated by Delaware North Parks Services, was in July 1987. During a packed audience of 500 people, Col. Irwin showed a 20-minute film about his flight to the Moon, gave a brief speech and took about a dozen questions from the audience.

Afterwards, Jim, Mary (his wife) and myself were positioned outside the Galaxy Theater where Jim and Mary, also an author, were available to meet the public and sign autographs. There were no signing restrictions, however, the visitor's complex requested that no Christian-related books be available for sale, which even to this day, I wasn't in agreement with, but their policy was honored.

The 8x10s of Jim on the Moon were also available upon request along with the tracks. That was the very first astronaut signing opportunity at the tourist center — with free autographs just for the asking — and that was more than 15 years ago!

It should be noted that Irwin was one of the first astronauts to write about his NASA and space travel experiences in "To Rule the Night," first published in 1973 and republished again in 1982 as the first Holman softcover edition. His book only sold for $2 via mail order throughout the 70s and most of the 1980s; in 1990 a softcover copy of "To Rule the Night" was priced at $10 along with a string of other books authored by Jim and Mary with prices ranging from $4 to $14.

Col. Irwin was a very special person that I miss dearly — I loved him as a brother in Christ — and he was the most humblest and gracious of any person and/or astronaut that I've had to pleasure to know and closely work with.

Bob M
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posted 11-19-2002 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it looks like Ken has cleared everything up about Jim Irwin's autographing policy. It's just amazing by today's standards that he only charged the tiny amount of $2 (then $4) to sign, provide a nice full color 8x10" litho of him on the moon, and also pay for the postage!

His "charge" was basically just a small donation to his Foundation and used in Christian work. And as Ken pointed out, Col. Irwin didn't officially charge for his autograph, as the "charge" was only for the moon lithos he provided, signed and paid the postage on. He signed everything else, including anything sent to him, for free. Many of us, though, would be more than glad to enclose a $5 to 10 donation to High Flight Foundation with anything sent for his autograph. Col. Irwin especially appreciated these gifts, and they often resulted in personal thank you letters from him (Man, things have changed).

JoKepler
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posted 08-21-2015 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoKepler   Click Here to Email JoKepler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems to me that among the scarcest individual NASA portrait lithos out there is Jim Irwin. His autograph is plentiful in the on the moon salute version, but scarce otherwise.

Anyone know Jim Irwin's signing habits early in his career? i.e. Why don't we see more of the business suit lithos signed? They seem almost as scarce (but less desirable) that his WSS litho.

Editor's note: Threads merged.

schnappsicle
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posted 08-26-2015 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for schnappsicle   Click Here to Email schnappsicle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote to Irwin shortly after his return from the moon. In addition to a few questions, I also asked for an autographed photo. Like most people, I got the flag photo. Mine, however, is fully hand signed. Over the next few years, I sent out several more letters to Irwin asking for more autographed photos. My favorite is the one of him standing beside the Rover at the very end of EVA 1 with a shadowed Hadley Delta in the background. He also signed other lithos for me, most of which now have very faded autographs. Once, he even sent me a set of 3 covers commemorating his trip to Israel. He signed all 3. I don't know why he sent those. I never asked for them, but they are among my most treasured items.

I can't speak highly enough about my Irwin experiences. He made the process very easy for me, and he never asked for any money from me. It usually took a few months, but he always sent me a photo or 2 and answered all my questions, usually with a hand written letter. Unfortunately, those letters, along with other letters by Scott, Cernan, Evans, and Lousma, were thrown away by one of my former roommates back in the late 70's.

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