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sev8n
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posted 12-07-2014 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I'm sure many of you have, I've been to see all three Saturn V rockets on display at Kennedy Space Center, Johnson Space Center and the U.S. Space & Rocket Center. Noticeably missing (to me anyway) at all three displays is the presence of the interstage hardware.

Did any of the interstages survive? If so does anyone know their location(s)?

MB
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posted 12-07-2014 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MB   Click Here to Email MB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two of the interstages have been used at the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville for (I believe) a Mars encounter exhibit/camp. They are located right beside the Pathfinder Space Shuttle outdoor exhibit. Interesting way to re-purpose the interstates.

mikej
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posted 12-08-2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In addition to the two Saturn V interstages, the cluster of buildings at the USSRC includes a Saturn IB interstage as well.

The Field Guide lists another Saturn V S-IVB aft interstage in Puerto Rico.

sev8n
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posted 12-09-2014 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are these recent sightings? I was at USSRC in 2012 and don't recall seeing them, they don't appear in my photos either...

MB
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posted 12-09-2014 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MB   Click Here to Email MB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I saw them in person in April 2012. The interstage sections that I'm referring to are just to the southwest of the Pathfinder space shuttle exhibit. If you look on Google Earth, you;ll see them just outside the sidewalk that goes around the shuttle exhibit. They are partially in the woods. Hope this helps you.

garymilgrom
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posted 12-09-2014 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean the circular outer skins that covered the engines (until staging) or some other structure?

sev8n
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posted 12-09-2014 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gary, I'm referring to the cylindrical structure between the S-IC and the S-II, and the conical section between the S-II and the S-IVB.

mikej
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posted 12-10-2014 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Google Maps.

The S-II interstage is at left, with the white roof. The S-IVB is to the right. Nearly obscured in this view (but visible if you turn off the 45 degree view) is the Saturn IB S-IVB interstage, partly cut into to form a single building, along with the S-II interstage.

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posted 12-11-2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And off in the boonies of the west parking lot, in the field before you hit the bus shed, are two items that could be interstages. As I recall, one of them housed the centrifuge (or a portion of the queue) for a long time.

It's also possible they belonged to one of the several test stages that ended its operational life at Marshall. Or they could just be junk. I've asked about them a couple of times, but haven't yet found a person who is certain of their origin.

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posted 12-11-2014 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the life of me I can't remember where they were, but some interstages were fitted with roofs and used as storage sheds at one of the NASA facilities.

sev8n
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posted 12-11-2014 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikej:
The S-II interstage is at left, with the white roof.

Left as in next to the "rocket garden"? Is this some sort of pavilion? I seem to remember walking through this and never realized it was based on the interstage.

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Originally posted by mikej:
The S-IVB is to the right. Nearly obscured in this view (but visible if you turn off the 45 degree view) is the Saturn IB S-IVB interstage, partly cut into to form a single building, along with the S-II interstage.

I remember a series of winding stairways leading to an observation deck in this area. Again, I climbed those stairs and never realized what they were.

Thanks for all the replies, hopefully I will be able to return to USRCC some day.

mikej
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posted 12-12-2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Meek:
And off in the boonies of the west parking lot, in the field before you hit the bus shed, are two items that could be interstages. As I recall, one of them housed the centrifuge (or a portion of the queue) for a long time.

I believe those items are an S-IC intertank and two forward skirts (the latter two stacked).

Yes, they used to be in the area currently hosting the centrifuge ride (G Force???), but I don't know what was previously inside.

mikej
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posted 12-12-2014 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sev8n:
I remember a series of winding stairways leading to an observation deck in this area. Again, I climbed those stairs and never realized what they were.
Yes, the winding stairs and observation deck are to the left (south) side of the S-II interstage.

Mr Meek
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posted 12-12-2014 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Meek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikej:
I believe those items are an S-IC intertank and two forward skirts (the latter two stacked).
See, I kind of figured you'd have an idea, Mike. I agree, the intertank seems likely, though I didn't think about the other being two forward skirts stacked. Well spotted.

So, the $64 question: Alan Lawrie's excellent book suggests that both S-IC-S and S-IC-F also ended their operational lives at MSFC. If it's S-IC hardware sitting there in the field, then they may have belonged to one of these stages.

That's a particularly big "If" though. 33' in diameter, in fact.

Alright, I'll stop before Robert has to toss this into its own thread. Back on topic: Anyone (Mike) remember the motion-base ride that was originally in the S-II/S-IVB building at the USSRC?

mikej
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posted 12-13-2014 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't "remember," as those are well before I started visiting the USSRC.

Hab1.com has a couple of scans of brochures which show the stacked forward skirts: one (no, I don't know what the shorter cylinder is), two (scroll down to the second picture).

They also have a scan of a "Lunar Odyssey" which seems to be in something that looks like the skirts, but the bottom one looks wrong and there isn't a round hole in the forward skirts today.

Getting back on topic, they also have a scan of the interstages, apparently after the S-IVB interstage was converted to a building but before the S-II interstage had its current roof. It also shows Pathfinder sitting on the ground before being mounted on its external tank.

sev8n
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posted 12-23-2014 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found these photos at historicspacecraft.com: 1 | 2

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posted 12-25-2014 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hotdog   Click Here to Email hotdog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Lunar Odyssey" was the original name of the centrifuge. The name changed over the years, but the ride stayed basically the same. I think it's now called "G-Force".

I'm not sure what "Mission To Mars" was originally, but previously it was a Space Shuttle-based ride called Shuttle Liner and took a large crew of visitors on a simulated Space Shuttle trip into space as if the cargo bay were outfitted like a passenger plane. Shuttle Liner ran from the early 1980s to the late 90's when it was turned into the Mars ride. It has been out-of-operation for several years.

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posted 12-26-2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jdcupp   Click Here to Email jdcupp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the late 70's, just before the USSRC "Shuttle Liner" ride (now Space Camp's Mars Mission) the S-IVB adapter skirt served as the dirt and vine covered home of a hermit (actor Art Carney) who cared for a post-apocalyptic rocket park in the movie "Ravagers", also starring Richard Harris.

I remember visiting there during filming and being shocked at the poor condition of rocket park (not realizing it had been turned into a movie set).

Another fun fact — the movie footage simulating spaceflight to a space station for the "shuttle liner" ride was clip from the James Bond "Moonraker" movie. Now that's trivia!

mikej
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posted 12-28-2014 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikej   Click Here to Email mikej     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are references to Ravengers in this thread (scroll down to the vine-covered F-1, and continued on the next page).

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