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Topic: San Diego Air & Space: Gemini spacesuit
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Bernasconi
Member Posts: 47
From: San Diego, CA
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 04-05-2010 09:10 PM
  
For decades the San Diego Air & Space Museum's Gemini-era space suit has been displayed high on a wall as part of a spacecraft display. Now visitors have a chance to see it up close as a new addition to the spaceflight gallery in its own display case. |
kr4mula
Member Posts: 642
From: Cinci, OH
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 07-15-2010 11:58 AM
I somehow missed this earlier...What information do you have on this particular suit? I'm always curious about the developmental ones. |
dfox
Member Posts: 208
From: Scarsdale, NY, United States
Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 07-15-2010 10:43 PM
It looks like he's missing his head and he's trying to find it! |
mikej
Member Posts: 481
From: Germantown, WI USA
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 07-15-2010 11:15 PM
The U.S. Space & Rocket Center displays a similar, if not identical suit with some Project Gemini artifacts. From that context I always thought it was a developmental Gemini suit, but I thumbed through my copy of US Spacesuits, and I couldn't find any pictures of a suit like this in the book at all.  |
Jay Chladek
Member Posts: 2272
From: Bellevue, NE, USA
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted 07-16-2010 02:36 AM
Looking at images in my copy of US Space Gear by Lillian Kozloski, the umbilical attachments on the suit seem to match those of a picture of the G1C suit. I suppose they could also be G2C suits, but those featured umbilicals similar to what were used on the as flown G3C suits from Gemini 3. The G2C and G3C suits look almost the same except the G2s are silver and the G3s white. |
kr4mula
Member Posts: 642
From: Cinci, OH
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 07-16-2010 11:24 AM
I'm pretty sure it's a David Clark G1C, based on the connections and overall architecture. The NASM's "Spacesuits" book doesn't list one of these from their collection in outside hands, and I'm sure there were only a few made, so I'd be interested to hear the story behind this one. I may be going to San Diego this December, so perhaps they can tell me the story in person! |
jasonelam
Member Posts: 691
From: Monticello, KY USA
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 07-16-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by kr4mula:
I'm pretty sure it's a David Clark G1C, based on the connections and overall architecture.
Here is a David Clark G1C I found online. Connections look like they match so I think you are correct, sir! |
Lou Chinal
Member Posts: 1306
From: Staten Island, NY
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 07-25-2010 09:13 AM
It would be interesting to see if anyone's name was printed on the 'name tag'. The closest I could find was a G2G that was a prototype made for Shepard. The connectors were different however. |
SprocketCur
Member Posts: 12
From: Huntsville, AL
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 03-29-2011 11:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mikej:
The U.S. Space & Rocket Center displays a similar, if not identical suit with some Project Gemini artifacts.
In case your still following this thread... the suit in the image you posted is most likely a G1C. The only difference being in that the only G1C reference image I could find, there is some gusseting around the waist that is not in the suit at the USSRC. If anyone in the thread is still interested, we'll be working in that building later this week, and I can check for a tag to find a model and serial number, if it's legible! |
Lou Chinal
Member Posts: 1306
From: Staten Island, NY
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 03-30-2011 01:04 AM
Yes, I'm still following this thread. If you do find out any information perhaps I can call Joe Schmitt. He still has kept his notes. |
kr4mula
Member Posts: 642
From: Cinci, OH
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 03-30-2011 12:48 PM
The more suit details we can dig up the better, so please do check and post what you find. |
Curator at GSLASM
Member Posts: 11
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Registered: Dec 2014
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posted 01-03-2015 05:33 PM
The Greater St Louis Air & Space Museum has a suit like this. (When I figure out how to do so, I'll post some pictures.)There is an orange tag under the flap in the right armpit with the following information. B.F. Goodrich Co.
Contract NAS 9-252
Style G-2G
Serial NO. 2
Size LR |
heng44
Member Posts: 3387
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-05-2015 03:30 AM
Anybody know what type of suit this is? Could this also be an early G1C suit? The photo is dated early 1963. |
garymilgrom
Member Posts: 1966
From: Atlanta, GA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 01-05-2015 02:12 PM
Where's that from Ed? That's the oddest looking Gemini mockup I've ever seen. Looks like a fridge behind the PLT seat! Is that Elliot See in the CDR seat? And why the EVA sling? Training? |
heng44
Member Posts: 3387
From: Netherlands
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 01-12-2015 07:52 AM
Gary, I have a series of these without captions. I assume this is an early Gemini mockup to check clearances for EVA procedures. |
Lou Chinal
Member Posts: 1306
From: Staten Island, NY
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted 01-13-2015 09:48 PM
I also have never seen this Gemini mock up before, Gary. Check out the parachute harness, olive drab in color and capewells.They were doing this test on the cheap. |
Curator at GSLASM
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posted 01-21-2015 07:39 PM
A McDonnell (Aircraft) publication from January 1965 titled "Space Simulation Chambers" has a few photographs of G-2G suits, like the one in our collection, being used in tests. One shows a suited MAC pilot climbing into a Gemini cabin mockup in their 11 foot Life Support Laboratory Chamber. Two other photos show a pair of suited MAC pilots entering a Gemini Spacecraft in their 30 foot diameter man-rated chamber. Additionally, I've noted these suits in some of the photos of "Astronauts" in or standing by the full Gemini mockup. |
kr4mula
Member Posts: 642
From: Cinci, OH
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 01-22-2015 12:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by heng44:
I assume this is an early Gemini mockup to check clearances for EVA procedures.
I'm pretty sure that photo is a David Clark G2C suit. The pic isn't high enough resolution for me to be 100% sure, but it fits the 1963 time period and is nearer in design to the G3C than the G1C we discussed earlier. |
Curator at GSLASM
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Registered: Dec 2014
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posted 02-01-2015 02:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by garymilgrom:
Is that Elliot See in the CDR seat?
That could be Elliot See, and that looks like John Young in the spacesuit. NASA sent Grissom, Young and See to McDonnell Aircraft to evaluate the B.F. Goodrich and Dave Clark suits in the various mockups. My source is in hthis document.Also in that PDF is a photo of a G-1C-1 and the details match up with those in this picture. Some photos of the Greater St Louis Air & Space Museum's G-2G, and our G-2C (without the outer layer) can be seen here, but you'll have to join the forum to see the photos. This link goes to page 7 of that topic, and more pictures of our suit appear in later pages. Our G-2G is now off that mannequin. |
SprocketCur
Member Posts: 12
From: Huntsville, AL
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 02-17-2015 04:10 PM
Just an addition if anyone is still following this thread, the suit at the US Space & Rocket Center is G-2G SN-3. This was verified when we recently (today) installed a conservation form in preparation for putting it in a traveling exhibit. |
Curator at GSLASM
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Registered: Dec 2014
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posted 02-19-2015 03:38 PM
Thanks. I'm sure you saw the care and feeding tag for the zipper under the other flap. For now, I've left the zipper open on our G-2G. |
mmcmurrey
Member Posts: 114
From: Austin, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted 03-03-2015 03:16 PM
This picture was taken of me in August 1969 as a backup to the open house event at Johnson Space Center in Houston. I was a summer hire with LTV working in the exhibit/tour guides under the public affairs office.I had to get ready to walk around the event in this Gemini suit if the Apollo suit with air conditioning would not work. Can anyone make out the model suit I am holding?  , |
Curator at GSLASM
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posted 03-29-2015 11:00 AM
I keep looking at your picture, but am not seeing enough detail. One question - is that a soft helmet, or am I seeing the helmet ring and you are wearing a communications cap? |
mmcmurrey
Member Posts: 114
From: Austin, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted 03-29-2015 11:59 AM
WOW that was 45 1/2 years ago. I don't have total recall of events anymore. That old Polaroid shot is best I can do. You might ask J.L. to ask Mike Gentry if he can identify those things as he had just started his employment at JSC that year (in the same office I was working in). |
mmcmurrey
Member Posts: 114
From: Austin, TX, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted 03-29-2015 12:04 PM
After looking at the picture closer, I think it was a hard shell helmet with the clear visor pulled down.
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Curator at GSLASM
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Registered: Dec 2014
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posted 03-29-2015 06:29 PM
Okay. I've pulled out a magnifying lens and held it up to the screen. It does look like a hard shell helmet but the outer edges are getting lost in the reflected light. I'll keep looking at it to see what I can come up with. |
Curator at GSLASM
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posted 04-11-2015 04:29 PM
After spending some time studying the picture and thinking about it, my guess is that you were holding a Dave Clark G-2C suit that had some of the hardware removed. |
Curator at GSLASM
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posted 11-15-2015 03:48 PM
I just noticed a G-2G was featured in this thread. |
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