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mjanovec
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posted February 01, 2011 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MrSpace86:
Hopefully none of the debris is corroded since they did retrieve them from the ocean and then stored.

The debris "stored" in the missile silo probably has significant corrosion. If nothing was done to preserve the materials after they were recovered from the ocean, the damage from the saltwater immersion (no matter how brief) can be significant.

Still, there may be materials within the silo that could be salvaged for a display. Even if it's just a piece of corroded skin from the orbiter, displaying that may tell a story...both of the destruction and the follow-up effort to sweep the remains of Challenger (and the lessons learned) under the carpet.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted February 01, 2011 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moorouge:
Do you mean "brave" as defined by Sir Humphrey Appleby?
No, brave quite simply because the subject matter is naturally sensitive in the extreme and there will be opposition to displaying such items.

In my opinion, not displaying at least small, modest artifacts from Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia does the memories of the brave crews a disservice.

Their lives, ideals and ambitions should be celebrated. Others will disagree; I understand and respect that viewpoint

Greggy_D
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posted February 01, 2011 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding Challenger, there were various flight articles secured within storage lockers. For example: jackets, shirts, checklists, food items, experiments, etc.

After recovery, what happened to these items? Were they also placed with the wreckage in the silo?

onesmallstep
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posted February 02, 2011 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moorouge:
Do you mean "brave" as defined by Sir Humphrey Appleby?
Mr. Appleby was certainly not 'brave', if he's defined in the link as being a master of obfuscation and manipulation. The only people being brave are historians/curators/museum specialists who, like those at the Smithsonian and elsewhere, have to grapple with issues every day regarding emotion-laden artifacts, documents and other historical objects to display.

How do we remember, in essence, a public tragedy like the three that befell the US space program? If it's simply to 'memoralize' the lives lost, then certainly that has been done many times, with statues, school names (one city school here on Staten Island bears the name Columbia), plaques, etc. But in order to truly understand and appreciate an historical event-tragedy or triumph-then nothing can replace an actual artifact/document involved in that event.

In the related thread on the Grissom Memorial Museum, examples were cited for current objects on display that perhaps are deemed 'sensitive' or disrespectful due to their history: the B-29 'Enola Gay' for one, and the aforementioned Kennedy limousine. When balancing what should go on display and what not to put behind glass, shouldn't curators also take into consideration FUTURE generations learning from that particular exhibit? The USS Arizona will eventually corrode into a pile of dust, and no video or scale model can replace the visceral reaction to seeing one of America's (if not the world's) tragic days.

It would be a sad day indeed if a child of an astronaut serving on an L5 space station or walking on Mars should come away from a display of NASA in the late 20th Century thinking that his father (or mother) had an easy road to the stars, without realizing they stand on the shoulders of brave giants like the crews of Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia - and let's not forget those of Soyuz 1 and 11...

moorouge
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posted February 03, 2011 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sir Humphrey maintained that 'brave' decisions were not the natural territory of politicians/managers whose concern might be more to do with public opinion than whether it was the right thing to do.

I mentioned it in my original post merely to point out that any decision made to display artifacts from Apollo/Challenger/Columbia would, most likely, be weighed carefully by those making them against the weight of public opinion.

Robert Pearlman
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posted February 06, 2011 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Colorado Springs The Gazette reported last month about a large flag that was recovered from among the wreckage of space shuttle Challenger.
The flag belongs to Boy Scout Troop 514 of Monument, which loans it to troops and organizations for special events. The troop has also carried it in parades...

Troop 514's flag was part of the official flight kit that survived the doomed liftoff of Challenger in January 1986.

Sending the flag on the shuttle was the idea of retired Air Force Maj. Bill Tolbert, then scoutmaster of the Monument troop. The flag was recovered from the Atlantic Ocean and presented to Troop 514 in December 1986 by an astronaut who had flown on earlier Challenger missions.

The flag previously had flown over the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., and was given to the scouts by former Rep. Ken Kramer, R-Colo.

In 1987, Warren Berger, former chief justice of the United States and president of the Bicentennial Commission, designated the flag "the official flag of the bicentennial of the Constitution." The Challenger flag also was displayed in Salt Lake City during the 2002 Winter Olympic games.

chenry
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posted February 10, 2011 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chenry   Click Here to Email chenry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Purdue University just notified us that they are interested in the display of Apollo 1. They want to work with us (the Grissom Air Museum) to submit a request to NASA. The command module would be housed in a new beautiful climate controlled facility that would be open to the public during regular business hours. So we will see where this leads.


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