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Topic: Photo of the week 657 (May 27, 2017)
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heng44 Member Posts: 3387 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 05-27-2017 03:44 AM
President John F. Kennedy delivers his "Special Message to Congress on Urgent National Needs" in the U.S. House chamber on May 25, 1961. In this speech he urged the nation to land a man on the moon before the end of the decade. |
Ian Limbrey Member Posts: 124 From: England Registered: Nov 2012
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posted 05-27-2017 04:06 AM
Amazing photo! JFK definitely had "the right stuff" too! |
Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1397 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-27-2017 04:21 AM
I can imagine the Kremlin going into overdrive once they'd watched this as it simply stretched capacities they'd yet to develop. Time told that tale. |
Headshot Member Posts: 864 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 05-27-2017 07:31 AM
Great image.At least that President had the smarts to make certain that the money for funding this endeavor would be available before he made his challenge... unlike most that followed in his footsteps. |
capoetc Member Posts: 2169 From: McKinney TX (USA) Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 05-27-2017 08:57 AM
It is a little easier to do that when a vital national interest is at stake (winning the Cold War). Lacking that vital national interest, subsequent Presidents could choose to: - Take whatever Congress decides to allocate to NASA and do whatever is possible with it, or
- Set a bold national agenda in space, and then endeavor to advocate for the resources to fund it.
Not taking anything away from President Kennedy, who could have chosen a number of different ways to challenge the Russians, but having a vital national interest at stake does matter. A lot. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2454 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 05-27-2017 10:45 AM
It helped also to have a Vice President who was passionate about the exploration of space. |
Headshot Member Posts: 864 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 05-27-2017 10:49 AM
Convincing many of the members of Congress that a moon program was indeed part of the national interest was not an easy task and should not be minimized.As late as 1965 many Congressional Republicans (and a few Democrats) were still grousing about this Kennedy/Johnson "moondoggle." |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-27-2017 11:39 AM
Yes, Kennedy advocated for funding the program, but he also looked for ways to reduce the budgetary needs of the program, suggesting at one point that if the Russians slowed the pace at which it was pursuing spaceflight, then so should the U.S. (and later, he would approach the Soviets three times about partnering on the moon landing to share the costs of achieving the goal).In a discussion with NASA Administrator James Webb in 1962, Kennedy said that he wasn't interested in going to the moon to advance science and didn't see a reason to support expanding the program or NASA's other projects to include additional objectives. A year later, in 1963, he met again with Webb to discuss the budget and what he felt was needed to defend it (emphasis mine): ...this looks like a hell of a lot of dough to go to the moon when you can go — you can learn most of that you want scientifically through instruments and putting a man on the moon really is a stunt and it isn't worth that many billions. Therefore the heats going to go on unless we can say this has got some military justification and not just prestige. ...we've got to wrap around in this country, a military use for what we're doing and spending in space. If we don't, it does look like a stunt and too much money – some people – Christ, we can't get money for some ( ) and all the rest and people saying we're spending billions in going to the moon. If we can show that that's true but there's also a very significant military use. ...I'd like to see what we could do to get the military, you said they're holding out, but we can, we can give this thing a military slant. In the final – we can justify the military or national security route much better than we can justify the prestige these days. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-27-2017 12:55 PM
Hopefully history will repeat itself, one day in the future... |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 05-27-2017 02:32 PM
An interesting perspective from Lunar Landing Operations Manager and Apollo Spacecraft Program Manager Jim McDivitt as recorded in his JSC Oral History Interview in June 1999: Ward: Getting back to the Apollo science program: At least my own perception is that Apollo didn’t begin as a scientific program the way [President John F.] Kennedy outlined it, sold it to the public, to the Congress. It was not perceived as a science program. And yet after Apollo 11, that really became the strong thrust of it.McDivitt: Yeah. I remember sitting down at the Cape with General [Samuel C.] Phillips, who was the [NASA Headquarters Apollo] Program Director, and somebody else, I don’t remember who it was, I think it was near the time that we were flying Apollo 10. And the subject came up that, if we landed Apollo 11 where we thought we were going to land it, where should we land Apollo 12? Nobody had ever focused on the second landing! And so, we started talking about that. And we already had this ALSEP [Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package] thing. It was being designed, but it wasn’t really included much in the Apollo Program. It was sort of being designed over here on the side. And the stuff that was going to go on the lunar surface and what we were going to do with it was sort of a big question mark. And so, as he and I were chatting about that—I was already the Deputy Program Manager, or whatever we called it, for Lunar Surface Exploration—he said, “You know, we’d better start figuring out how we’re going to do this stuff and what comes next!” And so, that’s—we really were sort of getting our wheels ground up, rotating. But up until Apollo 11, the mission was, as the President said, it was to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth. And that didn’t say anything about science. Ward: So, it really was impressive the way that whole science program came together. McDivitt: Indeed. Yeah. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 05-27-2017 02:45 PM
Another interesting perspective from Jim McDivitt from the same interview on the subject of baby versus big steps:Ward: But EVAs, spacewalks on the later flights, [Gemini] IX, X, XI, we had some really serious problems on them. McDivitt: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because they were trying to do things. And I think we got carried away. But you know, there’s nothing wrong with that. I mean, we would’ve never gotten to the Moon when we did if we’d taken baby steps all the way. I mean, we could’ve gone from the Gemini IV EVA to a little bit more, a little bit more, and then we’d never have gotten there. I think when the President said, “we’re going to get there in that decade,” he provided the best management tool ever known to man. Because you could say, “We’ve got to stop fooling around and make a decision. Take a big step.” And so, we did. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1211 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 05-27-2017 06:23 PM
I have often wondered would we have gone to the moon by 1969 if Kennedy had not been assassinated. It became almost a crusade to fulfill his goal after his death. He may have indeed slowed down the march to the moon if he had remained president. |
Wehaveliftoff Member Posts: 2343 From: Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 05-28-2017 01:00 AM
Thanks Ed for taking me up on the suggestion of JFK and his 100th birthday anniversary this Monday. |
moorouge Member Posts: 2454 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 05-28-2017 01:36 AM
Whatever the reason we first mustered the Apollo program, however mired it was in Cold War, nationalism and the instruments of death, the inescapable recognition of the unity and fragility of the Earth is its clear and luminous dividend, the unexpected final gift of Apollo. What began in deadly competition has helped us to see that global cooperation is the essential precondition for our survival. The above is a quote from Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot." One would like to think that the above thoughts were present also when Kennedy set the wheels of Apollo in motion. If this notion was there, however faint it may have been, it is a legacy that is becoming increasingly hard to recognise in today's world. |
Jonnyed Member Posts: 396 From: Dumfries, VA, USA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 05-28-2017 08:44 PM
I was too young to really grasp it at the time but did Apollo also serve to be a "positive" distraction from the Vietnam War and the mess that it was becoming? |
capoetc Member Posts: 2169 From: McKinney TX (USA) Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 05-28-2017 10:20 PM
Escalation in the Vietnam War occurred much later... by Nov. '63 (end of Kennedy's presidency) there were around 16,000 troops in Vietnam, up from fewer than 1,000 under Eisenhower. The real escalation happened under Johnson after the Aug 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. So, while one could argue that the announcement of a plan to put an American man on the moon by the end of the decade was a distraction, I don't think you can reasonably argue that Vietnam was the thing the Administration wanted to draw attention away from — very few even knew where Vietnam was at that point. |