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Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-08-2020 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please use this topic to discuss the Blue Origin-led National Team human landing system, a commercial moon lander in support of NASA's Artemis program.

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From Blue Origin (via Twitter):
Blue Origin's Nick Patrick and Mike Good, former NASA astronauts, visited Johnson Space Center to evaluate our National Team's engineering mockup – a step in our journey to return to the moon. We are fortunate to have their experience to ensure astronaut compatibility.

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Blue Origin has assembled a slightly different National Team in response to NASA's Human Landing System Sustaining Lunar Development solicitation.
The National Team of Blue Origin, Lockheed Martin, Draper, Boeing, Astrobotic, and Honeybee Robotics is competing for a NASA Sustaining Lunar Development contract to develop a human landing system for the Artemis program. In partnership with NASA, this team will achieve sustained presence on the Moon.

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posted 05-19-2023 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA Administrator Bill Nelson:
Today, NASA announced that Blue Origin and partners Lockheed Martin, Draper, Boeing, Astrobotics and Honeybee Robotics will build a human landing system to deliver NASA astronauts to the lunar surface for the Artemis V mission.

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posted 05-19-2023 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By which means (which launch vehicle) will the Blue Origin's lander get to Gateway? Will it be launched fully fueled or will there be a refueling event along the way?

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posted 05-19-2023 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish model kit building was still something our youth liked to do in mass. This would make a great model kit!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-19-2023 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Headshot:
By which means (which launch vehicle) will the Blue Origin's lander get to Gateway? Will it be launched fully fueled...
Blue Origin will be using its New Glenn rocket to launch its Blue Moon lunar lander to the moon.

Lockheed Martin, as part of the National Team, will provide a cis-lunar transporter, which will provide the refueling capability from low Earth orbit to a near-rectilinear halo orbit (NRHO) and the parking orbit where the Blue Moon lander will be located.

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The "original" team included Northrop-Grumman. The new team does not. Did N-G pull out of its own volition?

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If this is the sustainable long term solution, why continue with Lunar Starship? What difference does it make whether Lunar Starship makes a one-off landing in 2025 (at the very earliest) or this concept in 2030?

On the other hand, this concept depends on New Glenn being ready. Given Blue Origin’s track record, how likely is this?

It’s hard to see how cost escalations don’t put serious, if not fatal political pressure on this project.

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The contract awarded to SpaceX was to demonstrate an initial human landing system for Artemis III and evolve its design to meet the agency's requirements for sustainable exploration and to demonstrate the lander on Artemis IV.

So when Blue Moon flies on Artemis V, NASA will have two lunar landers capable of supporting sustained exploration of the moon (i.e. month-long missions).

And just as SpaceX is confident that Starship will be ready in time, so is Blue Origin about New Glenn. Both companies are preparing to ramp up their activities in the coming year.

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From Blue Moon (via X):
We unveiled our nearly 3-story Blue Moon MK1 cargo lander demonstrator. MK1's early missions will pave the way and prove technologies for our MK2 lander for NASA's Human Landing System.

These landers hitch a ride into space in New Glenn's 7-meter fairing. MK1 will be capable of delivering three metric tons to any location on the Moon's surface. That capacity makes it ideal for a variety of logistics, infrastructure, and science payloads.

Our Blue Moon landers are architected for that future day when lunar ice can be used to manufacture LOX and LH2 propellants on the Moon.

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